Hoss 1,397 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 we may have had this before in a WTC thread, but could not remember. stage is Pistol rifle shotgun shooter leaves one in pistol, safely holstered, picked up rifle, was levering when TO & counters hollered “1 more in pistol” shooter held rifle, cocked, safely pointed down range, drew pistol, fired last round, holstered pistol, continued with rifle. In less time than it took me to type this! I know cannot have 2 Loaded pistols in hand (unless gunfighter) but could not find rule covering this. I made it a no-call. What say the campfire? Link to post Share on other sites
Flying W Ramrod 172 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 No call. You have until the next gun goes bang to, safely, correct this. Link to post Share on other sites
Colorado Coffinmaker 3,761 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 You really screwed the pooch. No Doubt. NO CALL!! As long as the shooter stopped moving. Link to post Share on other sites
Arkansas Harper SASS #33169 48 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Could the shooter ask for a reshoot because of TO interference?? A live round left in the pistol is only a miss. Calling out that there is one left in the pistol creates a time and safety issue and probably confuses the shooter somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Bill Burt 3,439 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Arkansas Harper SASS #33169 said: Could the shooter ask for a reshoot because of TO interference?? A live round left in the pistol is only a miss. Calling out that there is one left in the pistol creates a time and safety issue and probably confuses the shooter somewhat. If there hadn't been a round in the pistol the shooter could ask for a reshoot. In this case there was a round in the pistol. Proper coaching is not grounds for a reshoot. Link to post Share on other sites
Null N. Void 565 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 The TO and spotters stated a fact. The shooter holstered the revolver with a round left. The shooter owns the stage and was given correct information. No reshoot. 16 minutes ago, Arkansas Harper SASS #33169 said: Could the shooter ask for a reshoot because of TO interference?? A live round left in the pistol is only a miss. Calling out that there is one left in the pistol creates a time and safety issue and probably confuses the shooter somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites
Arkansas Harper SASS #33169 48 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Once holstered, the round in the pistol is only a miss.. With a cocked rifle in hand, shooter focusing on rifle sequence, it seems to be very distracting to me to have someone calling out about something that is not an issue. You may not be distracted by TO advising you that there is a MISS in a pistol that you have already holstered, and yes the TO was only stating a true fact but it was an unnecessary and distracting in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Tn Tombstone 593 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Very impressive and a good call on the shooters part. He could not lay down the rifle nor could he de-cock it. As long as he stayed safe... No Call. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Bill Burt 3,439 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Arkansas Harper SASS #33169 said: Once holstered, the round in the pistol is only a miss.. With a cocked rifle in hand, shooter focusing on rifle sequence, it seems to be very distracting to me to have someone calling out about something that is not an issue. You may not be distracted by TO advising you that there is a MISS in a pistol that you have already holstered, and yes the TO was only stating a true fact but it was an unnecessary and distracting in my opinion. Once holstered the round in the pistol is nothing, UNTIL the next gun is fired. It's the TO's job to point out things like rounds left in guns. Shooters who don't want that can ask that the TO not speak to them during the course of fire. The TO can choose to follow that request, or not, it's not up to the shooter. Years ago at a state match I had a cowboy tell me not to speak to him during the course of fire, nor to allow the timer to come into his peripheral vision. I did my best to abide by that. When he set his Marlin down with a piece of brass still in the chamber I didn't say a word and allowed him to move to his shotgun to finish the stage. After the stage was over I silently pointed to the brass and gave him his 10 second MSV. Regardless of what the shooter wants, if I'm the TO and see something that I believe is truly unsafe or something that really needs to be addressed I'm going to say something. If the shooter wants to avoid being spoken to then don't do things that prompt the TO to intervene, like leaving live rounds in guns. Link to post Share on other sites
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 1,413 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Arkansas Harper SASS #33169 said: Once holstered, the round in the pistol is only a miss.. With a cocked rifle in hand, shooter focusing on rifle sequence, it seems to be very distracting to me to have someone calling out about something that is not an issue. You may not be distracted by TO advising you that there is a MISS in a pistol that you have already holstered, and yes the TO was only stating a true fact but it was an unnecessary and distracting in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,381 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Situation easily avoided...learn to count. Link to post Share on other sites
Marauder SASS #13056 1,151 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 But I can't count my fingers with a gun in my hand!!!?? Link to post Share on other sites
Tn Tombstone 593 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Dang, sometimes I feel like I have two left hands, now I know why PW is so good. Looks like he has two right hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Ozark Huckleberry 1,059 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I can count, it's just that sometimes my shootin' outruns my countin' and other times my countin' outruns my shootin'. Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Rapid 263 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Hoss... Did shooter move to another position to pick up rifle? If so, did he fire the pistol from the rifle position? (I assume he didn't move back to pistol position with cocked rifle in hand.) Sounds from your description that it was a real situation. Interesting one... RR Link to post Share on other sites
Patagonia Pete 962 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Roger Rapid said: Hoss... Did shooter move to another position to pick up rifle? If so, did he fire the pistol from the rifle position? (I assume he didn't move back to pistol position with cocked rifle in hand.) Sounds from your description that it was a real situation. Interesting one... RR +1 Yep ... was just gonna ask the same thing ... If this was a stand and deliver stage ... Link to post Share on other sites
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 626 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 The other question I might have is the fact the shooter had two loaded guns in hand when he fired the last round. Aren't gunfighters the only ones that can do that? Link to post Share on other sites
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 626 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just now, Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 said: The other question I might have is the fact the shooter had two loaded guns in hand when he fired the last round. Aren't gunfighters the only ones that can do that? And by loaded I mean chambered with a live round. Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,381 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 IF 1 minute ago, Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 said: The other question I might have is the fact the shooter had two loaded guns in hand when he fired the last round. Aren't gunfighters the only ones that can do that? That only applies to two loaded REVOLVERS. Link to post Share on other sites
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 1,413 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 said: The other question I might have is the fact the shooter had two loaded guns in hand when he fired the last round. Aren't gunfighters the only ones that can do that? SHB pg 6 Quote The competitor shall not have two loaded revolvers in hand at once. (This may be corrected before cocking either one without penalty.) Link to post Share on other sites
Hoss 1,397 Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Roger Rapid said: Hoss... Did shooter move to another position to pick up rifle? If so, did he fire the pistol from the rifle position? (I assume he didn't move back to pistol position with cocked rifle in hand.) Sounds from your description that it was a real situation. Interesting one... RR Rifle & pistol from same spot Link to post Share on other sites
Colorado Coffinmaker 3,761 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Allow me to reiterate. Skipping over the top of all the attempts to find a penalty. HOSS done GOOD. There is NO CALL. Give it a rest. Sheesh. Link to post Share on other sites
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L 4,413 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 4 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Situation easily avoided...learn to count. Link to post Share on other sites
Flying W Ramrod 172 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Roger Rapid said: Hoss... Did shooter move to another position to pick up rifle? If so, did he fire the pistol from the rifle position? (I assume he didn't move back to pistol position with cocked rifle in hand.) Sounds from your description that it was a real situation. Interesting one... RR Even if it wasn't a stand and deliver, the shooter could have opened the action of the rifle, move back to the pistol position, holding the rifle, shoot the pistol, move back to the rifle position, close the action and keep shooting. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusty Devil Dale 576 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: Perfect for guitar playing! Even better if it was the right fingerpickin hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusty Devil Dale 576 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 10:01 AM, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: I went to college with a kid who had two functional right thumbs - - and one heck of a solid grip. Link to post Share on other sites
Scarlett 764 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 8:56 AM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Situation easily avoided...learn to count. Amen! However, I agree with @Arkansas Harper about distraction. If I’ve holstered a pistol (I shoot gunfighter), let me go...I think it’s a situation by situation call depends on the TO and the shooter. If I’m running the timer, I pretty much know if @Captain Bill Burt is shooting he’s got it but if a newer or less experienced shooter is shooting, it can be distracting and even dangerous to try to save a miss... Big hugs... Scarlett Link to post Share on other sites
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