Henry Repeating Arms article in paper

[Flatbush]

So I was reading my Sunday edition of The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this morning and find an article about the Henry Repeating Arms Co. The article goes on to say "The company's roots date back to the late 1850's, when gunsmith Benjamin Henry was hired by Oliver Winchester of the New Haven Arms Co., which later became the Winchester Repeating Arms Co., to improve an early design of a repeating rifle."

 

Interesting. A google search of the Henry Repeating Arms Co. states the company was established in 1996 in New Jersey.

[Gold Canyon Kid #43974]

Just more lies by that company. I would never ever consider buying anything from those folks. The head of the company came on the SASS Wire claming the guns had been approved for SASS matches about 2 years before a special vote of the TGs or WB approved them. Can not remember which.

[Tom Bullweed]

I do not expect accuracy on anything related to firearms or shooting from a general-topics journalism source.

Henry makes pretty good .22 rifles and decent field/target centerfire guns. They have a nice looking rendition of the original Henry. I apluad their 'Made in America or not at all' policy.

I can easily see a non-gunner over-writing the ties to the original company that was sold to O. Winchester in 1866. Poor research and poor writing are the new normal.

[John Henry Quick]

I just can't get my panties in a bunch about this. How many times have Winchester and Remington been bought, sold, traded and reborn using a long-dead name to gain brand recognition? I can only speak for myself, but if I see a product that I like and I consider it's price to be a value to me, then I'll buy it. If not, there's plenty of other guns out there calling my name.

[El Hombre Sin Nombre]

When legend becomes fact, print the legend.

[Nate Kiowa Jones #6765]

I just can't get my panties in a bunch about this. How many times have Winchester and Remington been bought, sold, traded and reborn using a long-dead name to gain brand recognition? I can only speak for myself, but if I see a product that I like and I consider it's price to be a value to me, then I'll buy it. If not, there's plenty of other guns out there calling my name.

 

Watch it there John henry. You're bordering on being rational.

 

When legend becomes fact, print the legend.

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

Winchester and Browning owned by the Belgian Herstal Group, But the guns are made in Japan.

 

Colt is owned by

Zilkha & Co, a financial group owned by Donald Zilkha. Son of

Ezra Zilkha a Iraqi-born American financier.

 

Marlin doesn't exist anymore. They are now owned by Remington which is now owned by the Freedom group. Before then it was owned by Cerberus Capital Management. At least they are American based.

 

Henry Repeating Arms has always been an privately owned American company. The Imperato family has a long history in the Firearms industry. Lou Imperato, Anthony's father at one time owned Iver Johnson. Imperato's acquired the Henry name as a name brand marketing tool, just like the Herstal Group, Zilkha & Co and Freedom group/Cerberus Capital Management acquired Winchester, Browning, Remington and Colt brands.

 

As for announcing the gun as legal for CAS, ask Coyote Cap how that works. Cap had the same thing happen to him with the 97/93 shotguns. He had tentative approval to begin manufacturing these guns. But, by the time they were up and running the deal fell through with SASS.

 

Guys, we have a family owned American company here. It's time to quit beating them down over some perceived faux pas that in reality is normal Industry practice.

[Major Art Tillery]

 

Watch it there John henry. You're bordering on being rational.

 

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

Winchester and Browning owned by the Belgian Herstal Group, But the guns are made in Japan.

 

Colt is owned by

Zilkha & Co, a financial group owned by Donald Zilkha. Son of

Ezra Zilkha a Iraqi-born American financier.

 

Marlin doesn't exist anymore. They are now owned by Remington which is now owned by the Freedom group. Before then it was owned by Cerberus Capital Management. At least they are American based.

 

Henry Repeating Arms has always been an privately owned American company. The Imperato family has a long history in the Firearms industry. Lou Imperato, Anthony's father at one time owned Iver Johnson. Imperato's acquired the Henry name as a name brand marketing tool, just like the Herstal Group, Zilkha & Co and Freedom group/Cerberus Capital Management acquired Winchester, Browning, Remington and Colt brands.

 

As for announcing the gun as legal for CAS, ask Coyote Cap how that works. Cap had the same thing happen to him with the 97/93 shotguns. He had tentative approval to begin manufacturing these guns. But, by the time they were up and running the deal fell through with SASS.

 

Guys, we have a family owned American company here. It's time to quit beating them down over some perceived faux pas that in reality is normal Industry practice.

AGREE!!

[Marauder SASS #13056]

 

Watch it there John henry. You're bordering on being rational.

 

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

Winchester and Browning owned by the Belgian Herstal Group, But the guns are made in Japan.

 

Colt is owned by

Zilkha & Co, a financial group owned by Donald Zilkha. Son of

Ezra Zilkha a Iraqi-born American financier.

 

Marlin doesn't exist anymore. They are now owned by Remington which is now owned by the Freedom group. Before then it was owned by Cerberus Capital Management. At least they are American based.

 

Henry Repeating Arms has always been an privately owned American company. The Imperato family has a long history in the Firearms industry. Lou Imperato, Anthony's father at one time owned Iver Johnson. Imperato's acquired the Henry name as a name brand marketing tool, just like the Herstal Group, Zilkha & Co and Freedom group/Cerberus Capital Management acquired Winchester, Browning, Remington and Colt brands.

 

As for announcing the gun as legal for CAS, ask Coyote Cap how that works. Cap had the same thing happen to him with the 97/93 shotguns. He had tentative approval to begin manufacturing these guns. But, by the time they were up and running the deal fell through with SASS.

 

Guys, we have a family owned American company here. It's time to quit beating them down over some perceived faux pas that in reality is normal Industry practice.

+1

 

They make guns. I sure like that. I see no need to punish a gun maker that stands behind their product.

 

And made in the USA.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

Plus One. Or More to Nate Kiowa Jones. Anybody wanna guess who/where the current Mil Spec Colt 1911 comes from?? Beating up on Henry Repeating Arms is just plain .... dumb. Oh, anyone try to buy a new Colt off the shelf lately ..... or in the last three or four years?? Get Real.

 

Coffinmaker

[Buckshot Dobbs]

 

Watch it there John henry. You're bordering on being rational.

 

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

Winchester and Browning owned by the Belgian Herstal Group, But the guns are made in Japan.

 

Colt is owned by

Zilkha & Co, a financial group owned by Donald Zilkha. Son of

Ezra Zilkha a Iraqi-born American financier.

 

Marlin doesn't exist anymore. They are now owned by Remington which is now owned by the Freedom group. Before then it was owned by Cerberus Capital Management. At least they are American based.

 

Henry Repeating Arms has always been an privately owned American company. The Imperato family has a long history in the Firearms industry. Lou Imperato, Anthony's father at one time owned Iver Johnson. Imperato's acquired the Henry name as a name brand marketing tool, just like the Herstal Group, Zilkha & Co and Freedom group/Cerberus Capital Management acquired Winchester, Browning, Remington and Colt brands.

 

As for announcing the gun as legal for CAS, ask Coyote Cap how that works. Cap had the same thing happen to him with the 97/93 shotguns. He had tentative approval to begin manufacturing these guns. But, by the time they were up and running the deal fell through with SASS.

 

Guys, we have a family owned American company here. It's time to quit beating them down over some perceived faux pas that in reality is normal Industry practice.

+1!!

Good stuff NKJ!

 

BD

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Henry may not make a good rifle for this game .

But Henry rifle company is good for the gun business in the gun game .

Henry and Ruger put out American made products that they stand behind 100% .

There customer service is second to none .

Some pards get their panties all up in a bunch about Henry claim to the past .

Big friken deal , Any one who owned that name starting out would have Troyes the same Danmd thing .

Get over it already .

If you have a problem with Henry over it don't buy one .

But how many companies do you see leaving America !

Let's support one that says it will be made in America or Not made at all !

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Well said Nate

OLG

[Rye Miles #13621]

I want to like the Henry company because they're in the USA but they're lying to people, Winchester, Colt and Marlin aren't lying to anyone it's a known fact who owns them. Another reason is I just don't like Henry rifles period!

[El Hombre Sin Nombre]

 

Watch it there John henry. You're bordering on being rational.

 

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

Winchester and Browning owned by the Belgian Herstal Group, But the guns are made in Japan.

 

Colt is owned by

Zilkha & Co, a financial group owned by Donald Zilkha. Son of

Ezra Zilkha a Iraqi-born American financier.

 

Marlin doesn't exist anymore. They are now owned by Remington which is now owned by the Freedom group. Before then it was owned by Cerberus Capital Management. At least they are American based.

 

Henry Repeating Arms has always been an privately owned American company. The Imperato family has a long history in the Firearms industry. Lou Imperato, Anthony's father at one time owned Iver Johnson. Imperato's acquired the Henry name as a name brand marketing tool, just like the Herstal Group, Zilkha & Co and Freedom group/Cerberus Capital Management acquired Winchester, Browning, Remington and Colt brands.

 

As for announcing the gun as legal for CAS, ask Coyote Cap how that works. Cap had the same thing happen to him with the 97/93 shotguns. He had tentative approval to begin manufacturing these guns. But, by the time they were up and running the deal fell through with SASS.

 

Guys, we have a family owned American company here. It's time to quit beating them down over some perceived faux pas that in reality is normal Industry practice.

Come on Nate. How often do I get to quote from Liberty Valance? Otherwise I fully agree. Going to get me son a Henry 22 in a few years

[Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283]

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

No, some of us understand exactly how the industry works.

 

Each and every one of the examples quoted is an example of perfectly legal, industrial practices of one company buying the name, trademarks, and intellectual properties of another company. Completely legitimate, it happens all the time not only in the firearms industry but in industry in general.

 

The glaring difference between all those examples and what the current Henry company did is they appropriated a famous name in public domain, with the express purpose of allowing a gullible public to believe they are somehow related to the original company. Which is exactly what happened with the newspaper article being quoted by the first poster. The Henry Repeating Arms Company even goes so far on their web page to show examples of the original Henry rifle, without any disclaimers that they do not actually have any relationship to the original company.

 

That is called Lying Through Omission. Look it up. Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions.

 

By not issuing a disclaimer that they have no connection to the original company, The Henry Repeating Arms Company continues to misrepresent the facts.

 

Is it illegal? Of course not. Is it shady and immoral? Absolutely!

 

Make all the excuses you want for them, but you cannot get around the fact that HRAC uses deception to sell its products.

 

Which is why they will never see one red cent of my money.

 

Yes, I feel very strongly about this.

[Tennessee Stud]

Yes, I feel very strongly about this.

 

 

Well, well... my old and great friend... the floatin' phallus... has spoke up.

 

(JOSHIN')

 

Good to hear from you agin... always really liked to read yore stuff. Them pics of cartridges, bullets and stuff... always substantive. Just a great contributer. Always wished I coulda been you.

 

ts

[Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283]

Tennessee Stud:

 

And you sir are a great song!

[Tennessee Stud]

And yore avatar... from the VERY top movie... in my 600 cowboy dvd/blu-ray collection... movie list.

 

My complements... and my hat's off to ya, sir... my learned friend.

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

I have to agree with Driftwood on this one.

 

But, just to give a legitimate example of what he was talking about....

 

(And if I get any of the specific details wrong, I did this from memory, as ask those with better memories to correct any errors.)

 

Way way back when, two fellows named Smith and Wesson created the Volcanic Arms Company. They made, well, the Volcanic pistols and rifles. The guns never caught on and the company went bankrupt

 

Smith and Wesson started over and created a new company called Smith & Wesson that specialized in revolvers. They are still with us today.

 

Meanwhile, (and these details are fuzzy) a fellow named Benjamin Henry figured out a way to make the Volcanic design more practical so that it actually worked. This was the Henry Rifle of Civil War fame. The company that made the Henry Rifle was called New Haven Arms Company. Eventually a fellow named Oliver Winchester wound up owning this company and he renamed it after himself. This company eventually was owned by a fellow named Olin, who renamed it Olin-Winchester. This company was making guns up until 1983, when they stopped making them. From that day on Winchester has only made ammunition. However, as soon as Winchester stopped making guns, they hired a company named US Repeating Arms company to keep making them at the New Haven plant. This plant finally closed a few years ago and the relationship with USRAC was, I believe, terminated. But the "Olin-Winchester" company still exists and still makes ammo. It also still owns the Winchester trademarks. It now has a company in Japan make new Winchester guns for them.

 

So, through a convoluted history, Mr. Henry's company still exists. It is still called "Winchester" by most people. They may not make guns anymore, but they do have people make the guns for them under licence.

 

 

Henry Repeating Arms Company, has no connection to the company that made the Henry Rifle back during the Civil War.

 

And that about sums it all up.

 

As to why the "Henry" company called themselves that and tried to suggest a connection to the original, I have no clue. Especially since the gun they make is much more like a Marlin than anything ever made by the Winchester company. Except maybe the 94-22

[Nate Kiowa Jones #6765]

DJ,

That is your opinion. Mine is they all do it to some degree. How they do it is just splitting hairs. At least the Imperato's have a history in the Gun industry.

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Too each there own .

If you dont like them dont buy them .

 

For my self I support Henry .

I wish they made a better rifle for this sport.

But then again I love my 92s :-)

[Flatbush]

My Frontier .22 rifle from the Henry Company is an accurate, dependable rifle, but I don't like the misrepresentation of history. Sure, Winchester, Marlin, and others have been bought and sold over time, but their history is still their history.

[Gold Canyon Kid #43974]

 

Watch it there John henry. You're bordering on being rational.

 

 

Some of you folks don't have a clue how the industry works.

 

Winchester and Browning owned by the Belgian Herstal Group, But the guns are made in Japan.

 

Colt is owned by

Zilkha & Co, a financial group owned by Donald Zilkha. Son of

Ezra Zilkha a Iraqi-born American financier.

 

Marlin doesn't exist anymore. They are now owned by Remington which is now owned by the Freedom group. Before then it was owned by Cerberus Capital Management. At least they are American based.

 

Henry Repeating Arms has always been an privately owned American company. The Imperato family has a long history in the Firearms industry. Lou Imperato, Anthony's father at one time owned Iver Johnson. Imperato's acquired the Henry name as a name brand marketing tool, just like the Herstal Group, Zilkha & Co and Freedom group/Cerberus Capital Management acquired Winchester, Browning, Remington and Colt brands.

 

As for announcing the gun as legal for CAS, ask Coyote Cap how that works. Cap had the same thing happen to him with the 97/93 shotguns. He had tentative approval to begin manufacturing these guns. But, by the time they were up and running the deal fell through with SASS.

 

Guys, we have a family owned American company here. It's time to quit beating them down over some perceived faux pas that in reality is normal Industry practice.

Henry did not acquire the Henry name they just started using it. Others acquired rights to the companies.

[J-BAR #18287]

I am probably the only person in the whole world who bought a Henry .22 rifle for its name; my grandson is named Henry and I will give it to him when he is old enough.

 

Otherwise, the name doesn't mean a darn thing.

[Hashknife Cowboy]

When it comes right down to it, the guns I shoot the most are the ones made in the USA. With one exception, the lever gun made in Japan under the Winchester name. I support all American gun manufacturers, I buy American made trucks that I know are not all made in America. I spend my money in a manner to help keep American jobs. Henry builds a great product, it has a market niche, not quite suited for CAS but they stand behind their guns. My daughters 1st rifle was a Henry single shot and it will be her child's first rifle and so it goes. I can't get hung up on the little things...

 

If only more things were made here`...