Hogleg Hunter Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 If someone could pm me since we can not give load data on the wire I would appreciate it. Sent my 73 to Pioneer for a full tune up and ss kit and have to use my backup rifle which is in .45LC. Was going to skip the next match but the closer it gets the more I think that is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Not sure why you would want to do it since it sounds like you are shooting them in a rifle :-) Recoil not an issue as I see it. More smoke. yeaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 need you to be a little more specific, what powder, what grn. bullet do you want to use filler etc. Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 need you to be a little more specific, what powder, what grn. bullet do you want to use filler etc. Add: What velocity would you be satisfied with? And you have to remember, 45 Colt is a straight wall case and with low black powder velocities your going to have abnormal blowback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hogleg Hunter Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 I will be using APP and a 250gr bullet. I normally shoot FC with a 73 in 38/357. For that I fill the case with app to the bottom of a 158gr bullet. Probably use grits as a filler unless someone has a better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Yeah, better than grits is fine activated charcoal (think aquarium filter charcoal). It all burns with the powder charge, but does not provide any extra pressure. And it never packs down tight like cereals (grits, etc) can do over time. Folks here have done experiments with grits as a filler, and pressure increases as the grits get older and harder. 'Bout half a case APP and filler to base of bullet works fine in situations where a full case is too much. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 In the rifle you should have no issues with a full case load. You may even experience a better sealing chamber and less blowback. CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 An idea so crazy it just might work. I take a vitamin C tablet every morning. One morning I had a 45 Colt case in hand. I looked at the case and looked at the tablet and became curious. The tablet was just a slip fit into the case. Humm? I've not tried it. I don't know if the tablet would turn to powder when fired or if there is any abrasive agents or other harmful chemicals but it would take up about 2/10" of case space. When bought in season in bulk they only cost about one cent each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I always refer folks to Captain George Baylor... http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.2.html http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.3.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowhand Bob, 24229 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 A bit more costly fix but BUT one that is worlds easier in the long run, cowboy.45special loads. This will also work in the '73 rifle 'IF' the short carriers can still be found. If memory serves me right its capacity will allow loads in the 24 to 26grs of bp or subs under 160gr bullets. When using APP the whole thing is akin to loading with smokeless, no special lubes or fillers required for some light shooting easy to load rounds of smoky ammunition., The case designer had even worked out an ultra light .45 bullet before closing his doors but I do not think anyone is producing that bullet or its casting molds at this time. Wish I could be of more help BUT perhaps someone with more direct knowledge will jump in with information on this option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 PM sent Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatin' Chamberlin Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I always refer folks to Captain George Baylor... http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.2.html http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.3.html 1+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Why ???? Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Post Title ... reduced BP loads for .45LC Subsequent powder identification ...I will be using APP and a 250gr bullet. Hunter - look closely, ... black powder substitute. No where even close to BP American Pioneer® Powder black powder substitute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogleg Hunter Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 I am sure everyone except you understood what I was asking. Since they are loaded volume what works for bp should work for app. Hunter - look closely, ... black powder substitute. No where even close to BP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I am sure everyone except you understood what I was asking. Hunter - not until your post #7 and that's why Rafe asked for more details because your post header used 'BP' which is the initials for black powder and APP is not black powder - it's a substitute powder! Don't feel alone because many CAS posters use the BP initials incorrectly for the MANY substitute powders which again, is not "original gunpowder" which is black powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 A dried red kidney bean works very well as a space filler. You'll never even know it was there when you fire the round, other than the lighter recoil. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 A dried red kidney bean works very well as a space filler. You'll never even know it was there when you fire the round, other than the lighter recoil. LG Thanks, I just learned something. That is very creative. But I gotta ask; does it make the smoke smell like, well, you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Not sure why you would want to do it since it sounds like you are shooting them in a rifle :-) Recoil not an issue as I see it. More smoke. yeaha Perhaps he wants less smoke in the neighborhood of his normal 38 loads. I agree, can't see recoil being a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 And shooting reduced power loads in 45 out of the rifle, you should not have as many issues with backed out primers as you might get in your pistols. But it is something to be aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I don't know if the tablet would turn to powder when fired or if there is any abrasive agents or other harmful chemicals but it would take up about 2/10" of case space. Vitamin C is ascorbic acid. Not a real strong acid, but I would not use it. Any filler that you do not know the composition of or don't know chemistry to know if it burns or add to the volume of powder gases is dangerous to experiment with. Follow the successes of other folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Thanks, I just learned something. That is very creative. But I gotta ask; does it make the smoke smell like, well, you know... NOPE, you'll never know it was there. I use'm in 1 1/8 oz shot cups when loading 1 oz loads. They work............. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I ditched my toggle guns in 45 because blowback and subsequent fouling/bound lifters. Lube types mattered little. Reduced loads compounded the issue. Worked ok with 250s full case of real BP and a good crimp. APP could very well prove different. Reminds me of smokier Trailboss but a far cry from real BP. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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