Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 'Stones - of the "kidney variety." Don't recommend 'em. Few hours in the ER this last Sunday (but not my first "rodeo"). Nope... don't recommend 'em at all. Also don't recommend the pain meds ~ they do work, but I reeeally don't care for the mental fog. I'd make a right terrible druggie! That said, I do think the previous experience with morphine was preferable to this trip's Dilaudid. Kudos to the ER staff, though - they take this stuff seriously! 4 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Been there, too. Heard a woman equates it equal or more painful than childbirth Hope you're doing well now--I usually hurt for a number of days after it passes then there is the lithotripsy, but that's a story for another day 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey James Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Yep, first one for me was about 15-16 years ago. Woke up in the middle of the night in instant pain. Thought my appendix had burst or something. When I got to the ER I was doubled over, one hand on my lower abdomen and the other holding my junk (felt like I had to pee so bad I was going to go in my pants). The Nurse knew immediately what it was. Pure agony until it passed. I lost my left kidney 7 years ago to cancer, had a few broken bones, back surgery, and a torn rotator cuff but the dang kidney stone was more painful than any of them. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Had 3. Cried 3 times. Not looking forward to #4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Yep,hurts like an SOB. I was lucky though only carried it for about 20 hours and was instantly fine when it passed. That was back in the 90s and thankfully never again! Doc said same thing about the labor comparison. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) 19 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: 'Stones - of the "kidney variety." Don't recommend 'em. Few hours in the ER this last Sunday (but not my first "rodeo"). Nope... don't recommend 'em at all. Also don't recommend the pain meds ~ they do work, but I reeeally don't care for the mental fog. I'd make a right terrible druggie! That said, I do think the previous experience with morphine was preferable to this trip's Dilaudid. Kudos to the ER staff, though - they take this stuff seriously! Been there done that. In fact this last one was so big they did an MRI on it so they could tell where it was before going in there to cut it up with a laser and remove it. Glad they did the MRI because it showed I also had a gallstone the size of a golf ball and was fast approaching the duct and would have completely sealed it off. So I had one doctor on a Friday go in and cut up the kidney stone and remove it and then on Monday I had another doctor go in with robotics and remove my gallbladder and gallstone. He said it would have been deadly if it had plugged up the duct. Yes the kidney stones are very painful and I have heard from women that have had one and a kid and they said it was more painful than childbirth. I have to take their word for that but I can believe it. I am the same way with pain meds. I do not take them. Don't like the disconnected from my body feeling it gives me. I have 2 completely full bottles of Oxycodone. I was told on the black market I could get a bundle for them. But they will more than likely end up being returned to the pharmacy for destruction. TM Edited October 2 by Texas Maverick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.K. Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) I have had 20 or more kidney stones since i was in my 30's. So far I have never needed surgery, I have passed them all "naturally" The largest was 6mm. (I guess I am blessed with large ureters) About 2 years ago I had my annual urologist app w/ ultrasound and the Doc said I had 5 stones in my left Kidney and six in my right of various sizes. He told me to come back if they bothered me, otherwise increase my water intake and he would see me in 6 months. Shortly after, I saw a video on Utube about PAPAYA SEEDS. It said they help clean out your kidneys and help them work more efficiently. I started eating 20 fresh papya seeds first thing every morning, the taste is somewhat like radishes combined with pepper corns! But you get used to it.😝 When I went back to the Urologist ( about 8 months later) The ultrasound indicated NO KIDNEY STONES in either kidney! 👍 This is the first time I've been "stone free" since my early 30's Im a fIrm believer in power of PAPAYA SEEDS! The Doc said hes never seen anything like it! Just cut your ripe papaya in half, scrape out the seeds wash them off in a collander and dry them for a few hours on a paper towel. Store in the fridge. (Dont eat the white or under developed seads.) Oh yea Eat the papaya fruit too! It has many good nutrients in it. Good luck ( and health), Pards! Edited October 2 by T.K. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Luckily I have never had kidney stones. I attribute that to drinking water. I try to drink 4 quarts of water a day. I drink coffee in the morning but water the rest of the day. I occasionally have a Mountain Dew or a sweet tea. Pretty sure beer also keeps kidney stones away. Years ago I drank a lot of that too, but I don’t recommend it as a daily ritual. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I've had maybe 20 since my early 20s (I'm now 76) so I got used to the drill. Haven't had one for several years. I do disagree with a couple of the above pards about narcotic painkillers for stones. They work great, where nothing else does. When the pain is gone, you stop using them. It's not complicated at all. The side effects of drowsiness and others mentioned are mild and worth the analgesia..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 9 minutes ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: When the pain is gone, you stop using them. Agree. I'm grateful for the relief. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 (edited) So I had a follow-up with the urologist this morning - who turned out to be a most delightful lady doctor. During the discussion, I said that I'm not a real big fan of "alternative medicine," but asked her if she had ever heard of Java Tea - Kumis Kucing, or Orthosiphon stamineus. She had not, and was curious why I asked. I told her that I've never been big on "alternative medicine," but that my little sister had recommened the herb as a tea. It seems that our dad, who had a history of stones, had started using it and never had another stone. Was my sister a medical type, she asked? I then said that, oddly, Elizabeth was an acupuncturist, and had actually studied in Bejing. To my surpise, the doctor laughed, and said "I strongly suggest you listen to your sister!" She then told me that she was herself a proponent of "alternative medicine," and had a great appreciation of the Chinese discipline - "they've been doing it a heck of a lot longer than we've been doing much of what we do!" Well, I was astonished. The doc then went on to say that we needed to be more open-minded, and recognize that there were things out there that really do work, and that she personally availed herself of acupuncture and herbal pursuits. And she also said that she intended to research the herb. I'll be darned...! My already high regard of baby sister just ratcheted up another couple notches! Edited October 2 by Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I had them 2 times. When the pain began I paced back and forth between rooms stopping to lean on the counter occasionally. Pain pills did nothing because you never knew when the pain would kick in. If I took them after the pain started they didn't help. Getting in the hot shower with the water on my back took the pain away. But you can't be in the shower all day. Eventually I would be exausted and would have loved to lie down but thst was miserable too. I passed mine both times. My wife was standing there with me the second time and couldn't believe it when the floodgates opened. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I caught my first one in a filter while I was urinating a few days later. Embarassing how something so small could incapacitate me. It increased my respect for mothers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caprock Kid Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Had first kidney stone on an artillery firing point in Graf Germany in 1985. Passed out and woke up in a field hospital. Was nuke artillery so had to have an “escort” from my battery with me at all times since I was on heavy drugs (to make sure I didn’t give up classified nuclear information). When I finally passed it, my troop didn’t want me to tell doctors because we got hot meals, clean sheets, and pretty nurses. I had to be hard core and went back to three more weeks in the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 14 hours ago, Texas Maverick said: Been there done that. In fact this last one was so big they did an MRI on it so they could tell where it was before going in there to cut it up with a laser and remove it. Glad they did the MRI because it showed I also had a gallstone the size of a golf ball and was fast approaching the duct and would have completely sealed it off. So I had one doctor on a Friday go in and cut up the kidney stone and remove it and then on Monday I had another doctor go in with robotics and remove my gallbladder and gallstone. He said it would have been deadly if it had plugged up the duct. Yes the kidney stones are very painful and I have heard from women that have had one and a kid and they said it was more painful than childbirth. I have to take their word for that but I can believe it. I am the same way with pain meds. I do not take them. Don't like the disconnected from my body feeling it gives me. I have 2 completely full bottles of Oxycodone. I was told on the black market I could get a bundle for them. But they will more than likely end up either being flushed or returned to the pharmacy for destruction. TM Please do not flush pain pills or any other prescription drugs. Find a drop box so they can be disposed of properly. Where I live there is a drop box in the lobby of the local PD station. Looks like a small mailbox. When full, the box is removed and sent to an incinerator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said: Please do not flush pain pills or any other prescription drugs. Find a drop box so they can be disposed of properly. Where I live there is a drop box in the lobby of the local PD station. Looks like a small mailbox. When full, the box is removed and sent to an incinerator. no problem, have never flushed any before and usually just drop off at CVS for disposal. Thanks TM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 11 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: I caught my first one in a filter while I was urinating a few days later. Embarassing how something so small could incapacitate me. It increased my respect for mothers. Did they show you what it looked like under a microscope? It is like a snowflake I guess. It has all kinds of sharp points to it. They had me catch the first one as well so they could determine which kind it was. TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 11 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: So I had a follow-up with the urologist this morning - who turned out to be a most delightful lady doctor. During the discussion, I said that I'm not a real big fan of "alternative medicine," but asked her if she had ever heard of Java Tea - Kumis Kucing, or Orthosiphon stamineus. She had not, and was curious why I asked. I told her that I've never been big on "alternative medicine," but that my little sister had recommened the herb as a tea. It seems that our dad, who had a history of stones, had started using it and never had another stone. Was my sister a medical type, she asked? I then said that, oddly, Elizabeth was an acupuncturist, and had actually studied in Bejing. To my surpise, the doctor laughed, and said "I strongly suggest you listen to your sister!" She then told me that she was herself a proponent of "alternative medicine," and had a great appreciation of the Chinese discipline - "they've been doing it a heck of a lot longer than we've been doing much of what we do!" Well, I was astonished. The doc then went on to say that we needed to be more open-minded, and recognize that there were things out there that really do work, and that she personally availed herself of acupuncture and herbal pursuits. And she also said that she intended to research the herb. I'll be darned...! My already high regard of baby sister just ratcheted up another couple notches! or you could do what a good friend did. He drank 6 beers a day. Said that it kept the kidneys functioning and the urine flowing so he never did have any stones. LOL TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Those of us who have had kidney stones have our own little tribe, in any crowd if you say you have had one you know instantly who else has by the look on their face 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 Damn. A setback. Got to spend the afternoon at the medical center ~ total blockage due to scarring. Cystoscopy, and a Foley for the next dozen days or so. A "backup" of over a liter will sure get one's attention. Yikes! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Yep, I've had two. I didn't know the first one was developing until it suddenly had to pass. I was a college student and security guard at the time, working the midnight shift. I was walking the halls of an academic building on campus when I was suddenly stabbed in the kidney from behind. I turned to fight my attacker and no one was there. I wasn't bleeding. And suddenly I had to pee very badly. I ran to the restroom, but only a trickle came out. Then I collapsed on the floor in unbearable pain. Good times. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I've had them before and all I will say is I wouldn't wish them on anyone I like. However, there are a few individuals who I would... 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 My soccer queen grand daughters tell me this is common in aggressive athletes. Speculation is hard exertion + dehydration. She is age 21 and had a few bout already. I am not afraid of hard exertion. I can lie down next to it and take a nap. Never had stones, fortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Me and my stone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 ^That's what they feel like! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) 17 hours ago, DeaconKC said: I've had them before and all I will say is I wouldn't wish them on anyone I like. However, there are a few individuals who I would... hope I am not on your black list. LOL TM 1 hour ago, DeaconKC said: ^That's what they feel like! Yeah but the stone is on the inside trying to get out of that tiny little opening. TM Edited October 4 by Texas Maverick 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said: Yeah but the stone is on the inside trying to get out out that tiny little opening. TM Yeah, like I said, THAT's what it feels like! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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