Trigger Mike Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 Came up on one behind my driveway heading toward the house just feet away. He lay perfectly still at first and I was walking toward him and had not seen him but suddenly decided to get on my atv instead to use it to move some cattle feed and went 10 feet and he was beside me. the fight starts after that but a 22 magnum pistol only made him mad. He crawled under the atv then to the house. He wedged himself under where the siding hung over the foundation. I hit him again with the 22 and he tried to bite me but was too far away. I grabbed a shovel, his head was under cover so I hit him in the middle and pinned him with the shovel and he bit at it and wiggled out from under it and got underneath the weed fabric under the pine straw. I dug the pine straw and fabric out of the way and hit his head a few times and picked him up with the shovel and got him away from the house and hit him until dead. I cut off his head and buried him. He was a mean one. Multiple attempts to bite me. next time I will use something besides a 22.
Pat Riot Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 Water Moccasins are the meanest snakes I have ever encountered. Glad you you weren’t bitten. I wonder how .22 Magnum snake shot would do on one of those serpents?
Texas Maverick Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Water Moccasins are the meanest snakes I have ever encountered. Glad you you weren’t bitten. I wonder how .22 Magnum snake shot would do on one of those serpents? Probably really piss them off. TM
Trigger Mike Posted October 3, 2023 Author Posted October 3, 2023 Probably, a hornady v max really ticked him off. He was so fat and moved his head so fast a 410 or better was more in order
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 If I thought that I might encounter snakes, I would probably carry a 2" .38 with snake loads.
Pat Riot Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: Probably, a hornady v max really ticked him off. He was so fat and moved his head so fast a 410 or better was more in order I was in Bass Pro yesterday and a guy picked up some .410 shells and wanted to look at a Taurus Judge. Apparently he found a nest of copperheads on his property.
Rip Snorter Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 I use EDC bullets generally, but I live in a rural area. All you need to do is make a snake target on a grocery bag and find out exactly what hold works. Because I encounter them away from the house I have done away with more with my carry gun than with shovel or shotgun. I have snake loads, but have never used them. We just have Prairie Rattlers.
ORNERY OAF Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 Never shoot a large caliber snake with a small caliber bullet...;)
Trigger Mike Posted October 3, 2023 Author Posted October 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: I use EDC bullets generally, but I live in a rural area. All you need to do is make a snake target on a grocery bag and find out exactly what hold works. Because I encounter them away from the house I have done away with more with my carry gun than with shovel or shotgun. I have snake loads, but have never used them. We just have Prairie Rattlers. I had a 9mm on my but he was surrounded by a house with a rock wall and cars so decided not to use it
Buckshot Bear Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 Hey up front .....don't hate me Australia not only contains more species of venomous snake than any other country on earth, but also includes among those snakes no less than nine of the world's top ten most venomous snake species and everyone of them is protected under Australian law. Killing or even catching a snake in Australia can get you a fine of up to $10,000 and or ten years in prison. That Cotton mouth wasn't 'mean' it was scared and just trying to protect itself from death and the extreme pain that was being inflicted upon it. Aussie deadly snakes are everywhere even suburbia and they are active all year, yet we rarely have a death reported. (we do have an excellent nationwide antivenom program). The majority of snake bites in Oz is from folks NOT ignoring them and both the person and the snake going about their respective business's.
Trigger Mike Posted October 3, 2023 Author Posted October 3, 2023 Around here they pay you to bring in rattlesnake hide. Dead first . I think if I lived in Australia I’d kill them anyway.
Rattlesnake Slim Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Trigger Mike said: Probably, a hornady v max really ticked him off. He was so fat and moved his head so fast a 410 or better was more in order I shot a 4' Diamondback on my back porch with a .410 a couple of years ago. Killed him alright, but I spent the next two hours cleaning snake meat off the stucco walls and porch overhang. The lead streak on the pavers is still visible if you know where to look. The next one I shot with .22 snake shot out of a rifle. Snake just as dead but no cleanup.
Dusty Devil Dale Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: Water Moccasins are the meanest snakes I have ever encountered. Glad you you weren’t bitten. I wonder how .22 Magnum snake shot would do on one of those serpents? I have no Cottonmouth experience, but I've encountered some really crabby Copperheads that were real quick to attack with little provocation. I have shot a few fair sized rattlesnakes (40+" class) w .22 long rifle snake shot. At close range < 8', It devastated them. Head was all but gone. But there's nothing like a .410 or bigger shotgun. Flat blade shovels are OK, but ONLY IF VERY SHARP (mine almost never are.) AND if you're agile enough to get back without falling over backwards when a snake comes directly after you, They can come at you way faster than you expect. You'll almost never kill them with a single shovel chop, so don't expect to. Best is not to mess with them, if they're not around a dwelling or campsite. With antivenom costing $3,000-$11,000 per vial, depending on your location, and total treatment costs exceeding $100,000, it is clearly a good practice to give them space when you can.
Texas Maverick Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 When I had my hunting ranch I carried a 45lc with snake shot in 3 of the chambers or jhp in 2 of them. Never had to use it so not sure what it would do to a snake but my guess it would blow it up pretty good. TM
Cypress Sun Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: Hey up front .....don't hate me Australia not only contains more species of venomous snake than any other country on earth, but also includes among those snakes no less than nine of the world's top ten most venomous snake species and everyone of them is protected under Australian law. Killing or even catching a snake in Australia can get you a fine of up to $10,000 and or ten years in prison. That Cotton mouth wasn't 'mean' it was scared and just trying to protect itself from death and the extreme pain that was being inflicted upon it. Aussie deadly snakes are everywhere even suburbia and they are active all year, yet we rarely have a death reported. (we do have an excellent nationwide antivenom program). The majority of snake bites in Oz is from folks NOT ignoring them and both the person and the snake going about their respective business's. No disrespect intended Bear but it is obvious that you've never seen a water moccasin in action. They are the meanest, nastiest snake in the Southern US. They don't just strike when scared, they will come after you and continue the attack after the first bite. If you tangle with one in the water, you're in big trouble and they can/will bite underwater. I had a house that backed up to a wetlands conservation area, I killed them every time I saw one. I used a 12 gauge with birdshot, .22 just pisses them off even more than they already are.
Rip Snorter Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: I had a 9mm on my but he was surrounded by a house with a rock wall and cars so decided not to use it Been there done that by the back bedroom stairs to the patio. Shovel. I smash them flat. I have made them fly through the air with my 1100.
Buckshot Bear Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: . With antivenom costing $3,000-$11,000 per vial, depending on your location, and total treatment costs exceeding $100,000, it is clearly a good practice to give them space when you can. Jeez Louise!!!! Zero cost for antivenom and zero cost for treatment here.
Rip Snorter Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Buckshot Bear said: Jeez Louise!!!! Zero cost for antivenom and zero cost for treatment here. Can be very expensive, and small hospitals may not be able to afford to keep it in stock.
Buckshot Bear Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: No disrespect intended Bear but it is obvious that you've never seen a water moccasin in action. They are the meanest, nastiest snake in the Southern US. They don't just strike when scared, they will come after you and continue the attack after the first bite. If you tangle with one in the water, you're in big trouble and they can/will bite underwater. I had a house that backed up to a wetlands conservation area, I killed them every time I saw one. I used a 12 gauge with birdshot, .22 just pisses them off even more than they already are. Our Eastern Browns, one of our most aggressive and deadly (that scare the hell outta' me) can do 12-15mph chasing you and they WILL chase you. Every Aussie snake is a very efficient swimmer (not just our venomous sea snakes, yep you can be on the beach in the surf enjoying a swim......and there's snakes!).
Buckshot Bear Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Rip Snorter said: Can be very expensive, and small hospitals may not be able to afford to keep it in stock. We have an incredibly good and extremely extensive national antivenom program for our deadly snakes and spiders..
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 I still think y'all be need ing to use the 3 S rule Chickasaw
Rip Snorter Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: We have an incredibly good and extremely extensive national antivenom program for our deadly snakes and spiders.. Wish we did, though deaths are uncommon, I knew a guy who was bitten by a Rattler and died. Not a wimpy guy at all.
Trigger Mike Posted October 3, 2023 Author Posted October 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said: I still think y'all be need ing to use the 3 S rule Chickasaw What is it?
Alpo Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 You never heard of the three s's Shoot Shovel Shut up
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: I was in Bass Pro yesterday and a guy picked up some .410 shells and wanted to look at a Taurus Judge. That's about the only reason for one of those.
Pat Riot Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 53 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: No disrespect intended Bear but it is obvious that you've never seen a water moccasin in action. They are the meanest, nastiest snake in the Southern US. They don't just strike when scared, they will come after you and continue the attack after the first bite. If you tangle with one in the water, you're in big trouble and they can/will bite underwater. I had a house that backed up to a wetlands conservation area, I killed them every time I saw one. I used a 12 gauge with birdshot, .22 just pisses them off even more than they already are. I agree. I have seen Moccasins go after people. Hell, I have had them come after me.
Pat Riot Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: That's about the only reason for one of those. Pretty much every person I have met that owns a Judge or a Governor (revolvers not government officials) has gotten it for snakes while hiking, hunting or working on their property. One acquaintance of mine said “For the two legged and the slithery ones” when I asked if his Governor was for snakes. I actually considered buying a Governor for a time. I was going to use it as a side arm when fishing, hunting and hiking. It’s funny. Taurus lists some of the Judges as “Magnum .45 Colt”. I wonder what the heck that means?
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: It’s funny. Taurus lists some of the Judges as “Magnum .45 Colt”. I wonder what the heck that means? Probably that it can handle .410 3" magnums.
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 I own snake shot in every chambering CCI makes except for 9mm and.45acp- only because they won't cycle- for a reason. These days, it's either .44 Special or .45 Colt that's handiest. Anybody that does more with a water moccasin other than kill it dead is backing up.
Alpo Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 Any Southern boy that's ever been in the woods will tell you - water moccasins will come after you. They are aggressive. Rattlesnakes might rattle to warn you because they don't want to get up in your face. Water moccasins do. They are mean.
Pat Riot Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Probably that it can handle .410 3" magnums. I don’t know. I went through their listings and the standard guns list 3” .410s. The “Magnums” are heavier. That’s all I see. https://www.taurususa.com/revolvers/taurus-judge Not sure why this bugs me.
Trigger Mike Posted October 4, 2023 Author Posted October 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Pretty much every person I have met that owns a Judge or a Governor (revolvers not government officials) has gotten it for snakes while hiking, hunting or working on their property. One acquaintance of mine said “For the two legged and the slithery ones” when I asked if his Governor was for snakes. I actually considered buying a Governor for a time. I was going to use it as a side arm when fishing, hunting and hiking. It’s funny. Taurus lists some of the Judges as “Magnum .45 Colt”. I wonder what the heck that means? Sadly a governor doesn’t help if you leave it in the house, where mine was. I was just tending to my chickens and cows and didn’t plan on seeing a snake. What’s scary is I had unknowingly walked within a few feet of him and turned around and got on my atv and went the path I was going to walk. He’d have got me for sure.
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 I blew a medium sized snake totally into TWO pieces using CCI shot in .45 Colt. And only 1 shot. That stuff, used in a revolver, was devastating. ..........Widder
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: I don’t know. I went through their listings and the standard guns list 3” .410s. The “Magnums” are heavier. That’s all I see. https://www.taurususa.com/revolvers/taurus-judge Not sure why this bugs me. Well I did say probably. Maybe it translates that way to them.
Ozark Huckleberry Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 Won't dispute what others have experienced, and I've heard plenty of people talk about how a water moccasin 'challenged' them, but I can only offer what I've encountered in the course of 13 years of dispatching about 20 water moccasins of various sizes running from 1 1/2 feet up to 3 feet off of my property (a couple of 'em off of my front porch, and one that had bitten my dog), and running into a others in the woods and along creeks: I've never encountered a cottonmouth that 'chased' or 'came after' anything. I've come across more than a couple that refused to retreat when other snakes would have crawled off, but none that advanced aggressively. The only ones I've killed with anything other than a stick was one with a .410 that was just outside my garage door under a bench and I wanted to be certain, and one that I killed with a .177 pellet rifle. Evil mean comeatcha critters? Not what I've seen. Super snakes? Not hardly.
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