Trigger Mike Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 My wife wanted to consider trading in her suburban. I looked online and noticed they now have a feature that prevents you from putting the car in gear unless your seatbelt is fastened. A horrible idea, especially since you are not required to wear a seat belt if going in reverse so you can see better. one dealer said it was a federal requirement for all new cars, another said it can be disabled after purchase. I took her to a ford lot and their car didn’t have that. This tells me it is a GM thing. the last one I want telling me how to do is a car company. Not sure if the one who said it can be disabled was right or not. If it can’t be disabled then we won’t get a GM product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I’ve not heard of a seatbelt interlock device since the late seventies. They tried that back then and it was done away with after a couple of years for a variety of reasons. If this is true, it’s really recent as my wife’s ‘21 Buick doesn’t have it. Plus, a friend who just took delivery of ‘23 Ford Maverick has said nothing of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Looks like GM started putting the system into some 2021 models as part of a teen ager safety system. It is in most models for 2023. I did find this - Before you start a letter-writing campaign to GM about overreach, however, you should know that there are multiple ways to disable Buckle to Drive. We’re sharing that with you not because we’re encouraging people to drive unbuckled, but because it’s an important point to understand. GM-Techlink.com laid out the instructions in detail: “Buckle to Drive can be turned off through the Settings menu on the infotainment screen; go to Settings > Vehicle > Buckle to Drive. On vehicles that include the feature as part of Teen Driver Mode, go to Settings > Vehicle > Teen Driver. The vehicle may need to be restarted to register the setting change.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Find you a 1971 Cadillac El Dorado. No stupid interlock, super classy, 500 HP and front wheel drive. Might even have AC. Doesn't get better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Next thing you know they will want to put safety belts on motor cycles….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Don't forget THIS guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 Recently found a Buick regal from the 80s but they wanted around 100k so I passed. That’s when cars were still cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 Since one salesman thought it was a federal rule my wife told me this morning that if she had to drive an hour past him to find the car she wanted she wouldn’t buy from him since he doesn’t know his product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: Recently found a Buick regal from the 80s but they wanted around 100k so I passed. That’s when cars were still cars. A $100K Buick Regal? Must have been a Grand National. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 My 2022 Buick Encore doesn't have it and I don't think the 2023's do either. I'm going in for an oil change today I'll find out. First oil change I've got 5053 miles on this car. Bought it brand new in March, it was one of the last 2022's on the lot. It had 5 miles on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 My 2018 Impala has messages on the info screen that I can't rid of. One says the heating and air conditioning systems don't work if the engine isn't running. The other informs me that I should be taking my eyes off the road to read the things on the screen while driving because it may cause and accident. (NS Dick Tracey?) They told me both were federal mandates. I doubt it's true, but they are the only Chevy dealer in a hundred miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Dantankerous said: Find you a 1971 Cadillac El Dorado. No stupid interlock, super classy, 500 HP and front wheel drive. Might even have AC. Doesn't get better than that. Ummm... I think that should be 500 c.i. and 400 HP...still nothing to sneeze at when pollution control systems were starting to rob power from V-8s LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: My 2018 Impala has messages on the info screen that I can't rid of. One says the heating and air conditioning systems don't work if the engine isn't running. The other informs me that I should be taking my eyes off the road to read the things on the screen while driving because it may cause and accident. (NS Dick Tracey?) They told me both were federal mandates. I doubt it's true, but they are the only Chevy dealer in a hundred miles. Are they on the screen all the time? If so and you have the owners manual, there may be a page telling you how to clear them. I find those infotainment systems maddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Ummm... I think that should be 500 c.i. and 400 HP...still nothing to sneeze at when pollution control systems were starting to rob power from V-8s LL More like 400ft lb, only 225-250hp at the wheels. Those Cadillacs peaked about 3800rpm with the stock camshaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 The 2023 Blazer chimes if you put it in gear without buckling the driver seat belt. If it has the buckle to drive software, it was not turned on when pulling off the dealer lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 13 hours ago, Trigger Mike said: My wife wanted to consider trading in her suburban. I looked online and noticed they now have a feature that prevents you from putting the car in gear unless your seatbelt is fastened. A horrible idea, especially since you are not required to wear a seat belt if going in reverse so you can see better. one dealer said it was a federal requirement for all new cars, another said it can be disabled after purchase. I took her to a ford lot and their car didn’t have that. This tells me it is a GM thing. the last one I want telling me how to do is a car company. Not sure if the one who said it can be disabled was right or not. If it can’t be disabled then we won’t get a GM product. I believe it’s a Chevy thing, Buick, GMC doesn’t have that. I don’t know about Cadillac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perro Del Diablo Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 My mahindra roxor has a seat belt safety that puts it in limp mode . Easy to bypass but not worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: A $100K Buick Regal? Must have been a Grand National. Yep 24 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I believe it’s a Chevy thing, Buick, GMC doesn’t have that. I don’t know about Cadillac. Cadillac does too, their salesman said it was a federal law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, sassnetguy50 said: More like 400ft lb, only 225-250hp at the wheels. Those Cadillacs peaked about 3800rpm with the stock camshaft. Actually: "The initial 1970 version, offered only on the giant Fleetwood Eldorado coupe, featured a sporty 10:1 compression ratio and was rated at 400 SAE gross hp at 4400 rpm." Later emission restrictions dropped that to as low as 190 hp. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Actually: "The initial 1970 version, offered only on the giant Fleetwood Eldorado coupe, featured a sporty 10:1 compression ratio and was rated at 400 SAE gross hp at 4400 rpm." Later emission restrictions dropped that to as low as 190 hp. LL Gross horsepower is not an in car rating. The post referenced the engine in a 1971 Eldorado, possibly with air conditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 These things work great. I used one when I was driving around my hunting ranch and didn't need my seatbelt fastened. https://thetikit.com/products/chrome-single?variant=51580498772¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2018-10-24&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3JanBhCPARIsAJpXTx4kGQlU7FOfllNVqtSP7IuB-fSamsSS9HjEF-FmbJTUtZyBp07wxHcaAiqPEALw_wcB TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Pick up a spare seat belt at wrecking yard. Cut the strap off of buckle end and insert into your cars seat belt. Circuit completed. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said: These things work great. I used one when I was driving around my hunting ranch and didn't need my seatbelt fastened. https://thetikit.com/products/chrome-single?variant=51580498772¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2018-10-24&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3JanBhCPARIsAJpXTx4kGQlU7FOfllNVqtSP7IuB-fSamsSS9HjEF-FmbJTUtZyBp07wxHcaAiqPEALw_wcB TM 7 minutes ago, G W Wade said: Pick up a spare seat belt at wrecking yard. Cut the strap off of buckle end and insert into your cars seat belt. Circuit completed. GW Or one COULD just learn to use one's mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Trigger Mike said: Yep Cadillac does too, their salesman said it was a federal law I can’t find anything about it on Gm or any car. Do you have a link or info on that! I’m searching……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Trigger Mike said: Yep Cadillac does too, their salesman said it was a federal law https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nhtsa-proposing-new-rules-encourage-seat-belt-vehicle-102433986 This is all I could find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 I think the Cadillac salesman just didn’t know. I did find where GM added for the teen driver mode but it can be bypassed. Ford’s solution seems to be to display a picture of all the seats on the odometer screen showing which seats are occupied and showing that seat in red if they are not buckled and green if they are. I don’t mind that. my can am side by sides won’t let you drive above 5 mph if not buckled but my kids just buckle up before getting in and bypass it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 I think too many companies are run by foreigners or by folks out of touch with the American mentality that says the more you force people to do something the more they won’t do it. These things may fly in Europe or submissive societies but not here as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: American mentality that says the more you force people to do something the more they won’t do it. These things may fly in Europe or submissive societies but not here as much. Sure. Just look at how well the mask mandate worked. And they're starting that up again. (Insert sarcasm emoji here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Trigger Mike said: I think the Cadillac salesman just didn’t know. I did find where GM added for the teen driver mode but it can be bypassed. Ford’s solution seems to be to display a picture of all the seats on the odometer screen showing which seats are occupied and showing that seat in red if they are not buckled and green if they are. I don’t mind that. my can am side by sides won’t let you drive above 5 mph if not buckled but my kids just buckle up before getting in and bypass it. You should mind it. You paid for it and had nu say in whether or not they added it...along with a few hundred other things on you car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Lawyer rules to prevent liability. Buy pre 1985, get it cheap pay for the rebuild/updates you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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