Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 15 hours ago, Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 said: Try link below. A little more information on the shooter and the good Samaritan. Number of rounds fired by each, etc. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/17/us/indiana-greenwood-park-mall-shooting/index.html I notice that most of the shootings are in or near large metropolitan areas, lots of parties (alcohol?), lots of suspected gang activity, and a few involving other crimes as well. I also note that quite a few are committed by people who are breaking the law simply by being prohibited from owning a gun. Lots are in places where guns are not allowed for some idiotic reason or another. Finally, i see where very few are committed in places where a vast number of citizens carry guns just as a matter of daily living....like Arizona where almost all of the VERY FEW shootings are in or near Phoenix, a place that could be called "Eastern California" because of all the immigrants for other countries, but more importantly, moving in from other states. I believe I'll stay here for the rest of my life.....and carry or have immediate access to at least one loaded gun (often more) at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 It's hard to argue with people who have made the determination that their families, kids, grandkids are not worthy of having dad or mom be prepared to protect them. But they want other people who are willing to put themselves at risk to protect others to be prevented from doing so. This fits with their victimhood social justice award system that rewards followers with praise for being victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: It's hard to argue with people who have made the determination that their families, kids, grandkids are not worthy of having dad or mom be prepared to protect them. But they want other people who are willing to put themselves at risk to protect others to be prevented from doing so. This fits with their victimhood social justice award system that rewards followers with praise for being victims. That’s usually my argument to people not willing to defend themselves or their loved ones . I’ve asked a number of people if they have explained to their loved ones that they are not willing to defend them from an attack , but they are willing to place a call to have a total stranger in a uniform with a gun come to protect them , if they arrive in time . Because either way a firearm is being introduced into the situation . This is the one time I believe gun control, “if there’s a gun around I want to be in control of it “ . To me it’s like telling someone who’s bleeding out I’ve called the ambulance but won’t make a attempt to stop the bleeding myself. I just don’t get some peoples lack of logic/problem solving/survival skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Alpo said: Although, the way that was phrased, it reads like the 22-year-old killed three people and wounded others before he killed the man with the AR. I wonder if that was deliberate, or just stupidity on that woman's part? Yes stupidity. Because she thinks he was illegally carrying. Which he wasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Yes stupidity. Because she thinks he was illegally carrying. Which he wasn’t. Since when do the anti-Constitutionalists of the Left let a little thing like facts interfere with their chosen narrative, Bob? Her accusation of illegality is just more fearmongering, hysteria and hyperbole- in other words, it's a day with a name that ends in 'y', so it's business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 The police have said that the citizen was legally carrying in the mall. The mall sign saying no firearms allowed or however it was worded, is the equivalent of a sign stating no shoes, no shirt, no service. If they discover a mall customer is carrying they can ask you to leave but it's only trespassing if you refuse to leave at that point. He was legally carrying per law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Tuesday Afternoon update. Police have updated their statement on how quickly the response happened. Dicken took the shooter down from 40 yards in 15 seconds from the time the shooter exited the bathroom and started killing innocents. Police update the time of response to the active shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 good , the faster a criminal is dispatched the better - less innocents get involved or killed , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Apparently he fired 10 shots at 40 yards and hit the murdering POS 8 times in 15 seconds. That is very good to exceptional shooting. Those of you who carry might want to incorporate some distance shots in your practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Chantry said: Apparently he fired 10 shots at 40 yards and hit the murdering POS 8 times in 15 seconds. That is very good to exceptional shooting. Those of you who carry might want to incorporate some distance shots in your practice. And so far I’ve seen nothing presented that he is any type of high speed low drag operator . Kinda shoots a big hole in the anti gunners theory that the normal Joe is just some bumbling fool that can’t be effective. None of us know how things will turn out when we’re tested , I’m glad this young man excelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said: And so far I’ve seen nothing presented that he is any type of high speed low drag operator . Kinda shoots a big hole in the anti gunners theory that the normal Joe is just some bumbling fool that can’t be effective. None of us know how things will turn out when we’re tested , I’m glad this young man excelled I suspect either he lived at the range, or more likely, is a regular competitive shooter in one of the handgun action shooting disciplines where he lives. On edit: And I look forward to the anger & bitterness of the anti gunners when they find out the new details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chantry said: I suspect either he lived at the range, or more likely, is a regular competitive shooter in one of the handgun action shooting disciplines where he lives. He definitely has good trigger control under stress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said: He definitely has good trigger control under stress He also definitely wasn't carrying a 2" belly gun or a pocket .380 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said: He also definitely wasn't carrying a 2" belly gun or a pocket .380 either. I would say that’s probably the case but I wouldn’t say definitely until all the details are in. I still kinda doubt the 40 yard comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 If the time frame of 15 seconds is correct then the approximate 40 yard engagement distance, at least for the first couple of shots, seems to make sense. The distance might have lessened as Dickens was moving forward. In any event, the police chief indicated it was "tactically" correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I saw one report that estimated the initial shots by the hero were from approximately 76 feet, 25 yards. It may take a while to determine how far the bad guy retreated and how far the good guy moved forward while he engaged. But I've seen some comments that think maybe the 40 yards was really 40 feet and that doesn't seem to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: I saw one report that estimated the initial shots by the hero were from approximately 76 feet, 25 yards. It may take a while to determine how far the bad guy retreated and how far the good guy moved forward while he engaged. But I've seen some comments that think maybe the 40 yards was really 40 feet and that doesn't seem to be the case. In either case, even if 40 feet, darn fine shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 No matter the distance, "Fine Job" by an armed citizen. Just wish they hadn't put his name out there. "Hero" is good by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: No matter the distance, "Fine Job" by an armed citizen. Just wish they hadn't put his name out there. "Hero" is good by me. Yes his name did Not have to be released, at least while the investigations is ongoing. Afterward it would be able to be accessed through freedom of information but it would give him some breathing room before the press camped out on his sidewalk. On the other hand the MSM would probably be happy if this story went away. But on the other other hand, they might hope to paint him as a gun totin screwball not much better than the but he took down. I hope he fever agrees to an interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 7:49 AM, Alpo said: Although, the way that was phrased, it reads like the 22-year-old killed three people and wounded others before he killed the man with the AR. I wonder if that was deliberate, or just stupidity on that woman's part? Good question I no longer believe in coincidence, poor phrasing, stupidity or misstatement when it comes from the left.There is absolutely nothing nothing nothing that is not a calculated furthering of their agenda in how they state things. Regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said: Don’t get me wrong. I have fired many rounds effectively from 50 yards. My point was Not that you can’t effectively engage from 40 yards, but that in a shopping mall there are very few places where a clear view of Anything can rarely be seen from that distance do the the design of the average mall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Don’t get me wrong. I have fired many rounds effectively from 50 yards. My point was Not that you can’t effectively engage from 40 yards, but that in a shopping mall there are very few places where a clear view of Anything can rarely be seen from that distance do the the design of the average mall. It wasn’t my intention to imply anything. I just posted it so people can see what someone can do . This guy is a trainer and currently LEO . And I just find his channel interesting because he’s practical . I also like the fact he supports this kid and wants to give him a gun . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Has anyone heard what gun the 22 year old had. I am just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, Irish-Pat said: Has anyone heard what gun the 22 year old had. I am just wondering Some sort of Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Two pictures of the food court, Courtney Spinelli appears to be a reporter for WTTV CBS4Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Yes his name did Not have to be released, at least while the investigations is ongoing. Afterward it would be able to be accessed through freedom of information but it would give him some breathing room before the press camped out on his sidewalk. On the other hand the MSM would probably be happy if this story went away. But on the other other hand, they might hope to paint him as a gun totin screwball not much better than the but he took down. I hope he fever agrees to an interview. I’m actually surprised I haven’t seen a story painting him as a racist Trump supporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Yes his name did Not have to be released, at least while the investigations is ongoing. Afterward it would be able to be accessed through freedom of information but it would give him some breathing room before the press camped out on his sidewalk. On the other hand the MSM would probably be happy if this story went away. But on the other other hand, they might hope to paint him as a gun totin screwball not much better than the but he took down. I hope he fever agrees to an interview. I saw early on that he (the hero) authorized his name being released, but that he would not do interviews at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 This young man seems to be the new rage in the training community, I’ve seen at least 6 Dickens drill videos pop up on my YouTube feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said: I’m actually surprised I haven’t seen a story painting him as a racist Trump supporter I'm also surprised. I saw a picture of him. He's white. He must be a racist. It's required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I learn the Eli shot the perp with a WC at 40 yards. Pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said: This young man seems to be the new rage in the training community, I’ve seen at least 6 Dickens drill videos pop up on my YouTube feed I hate to be the one to point out the obvious but...the steel isn't shooting back or moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious but...the steel isn't shooting back or moving. Granted and we still don't know a lot of the details from this shooting. As someone on another board speculated, it is entirely possible the murdering POS didn't even know there was another armed person present until after he got shot the first time and presently there is nothing known either way if he got another shot off after being hit by the armed citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Cypress Sun said: I hate to be the one to point out the obvious but...the steel isn't shooting back or moving. It never is when your training, you can only simulate so much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Chantry said: Two pictures of the food court, Courtney Spinelli appears to be a reporter for WTTV CBS4Indy 40 yards, now 30 yards, We’ll see what the final investigation says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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