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Interesting. Especially the last sentence.

"While Sweden's unwillingness to lock down the country could ultimately prove to be ill-judged, for now, if the infection curve flattens out soon, the economy could be better placed to rebound," 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-sweden-and-norway-handled-coronavirus-differently-2020-4

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Every possible course of action is a balancing act, with each community choosing a course based on their values. 

 

Swedes have always had a different mindset regarding individual deaths, which allow them to prioritize economic recovery. 

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One in three of Sweden’s reported Covid-19 deaths are in nursing homes.  Other reports also indicate that many of Sweden’s  Covid nursing home deaths are not counted in the official reports. 
 

Sweden has public-funded health care.  It might be a little cynical, but a part of Sweden’s ‘better placed to rebound’ situation could be attributed to the reduced government spending that will result from the disproportionate die-off of economically non-contributing members of their society. 
 

Socialized medicine at its best — “Gee, we’re sorry grandpa, but your medical bills are really high and we want a new bridge. Besides, haven’t you already lived the best part of your life?”

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NYTimes article this morning about the Sweden situation. Verdict definitely not in. Lot of in-country criticism about the effect on those over 70 of what they are doing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-herd-immunity.html

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A sick, diabolical, and accurate perspective of a warped government, hell-bent on preserving a failing Socialist agenda at the expense of the lives of its Citizenry.  They intentionally and murderously adjust their handling of the pandemic to eliminate a percentage of those (the aged) who benefit the most from the historically, economically-doomed-to-fail policies of Socialism.

 

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The millennials refer to covid-19 as boomer control around here, baby boomers, that is.

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20 minutes ago, Yul Lose said:

The millennials refer to covid-19 as boomer control around here, baby boomers, that is.

 

I am afraid if someone said that to my face I would have to show him/her why age and experience trumps youth and speed. ;)

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34 minutes ago, Yul Lose said:

The millennials refer to covid-19 as boomer control around here, baby boomers, that is.

I would love to hear someone say that to me. I am pretty sure their bladder control might be needed before my Boomer Control kicks in. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Yul Lose said:

The millennials refer to covid-19 as boomer control around here, baby boomers, that is.

That’s the sickest crap I’ve  heard in a long time. :angry: Punks!

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Huh? Virus?

 

What virus?

 

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On 4/29/2020 at 1:24 PM, Yul Lose said:

The millennials refer to covid-19 as boomer control around here, baby boomers, that is.

I haven't heard that one before. Heard boomer remover though. I don't think they'll still be joking about that if they catch it and are one of the many 18-40 year olds that are suffering from strokes brought on by COVID19. Seems to be the latest phenomena as we start to learn more of this virus

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22 minutes ago, El Hombre Sin Nombre said:

I haven't heard that one before. Heard boomer remover though. I don't think they'll still be joking about that if they catch it and are one of the many 18-40 year olds that are suffering from strokes brought on by COVID19. Seems to be the latest phenomena as we start to learn more of this virus

 I was standing in line at the hardware store the other day and the person in front of me in the line mentioned he had heard one of his grandkids refer to it as boomer control and he chewed his ass for it and the kid told him that that’s what the younger generations call it.

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Sweden is ascribing to herd immunity. This may or may not work. Time will tell.

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2 hours ago, Yul Lose said:

 I was standing in line at the hardware store the other day and the person in front of me in the line mentioned he had heard one of his grandkids refer to it as boomer control and he chewed his ass for it and the kid told him that that’s what the younger generations call it.

 

It's gallows humor. Like Stalin said, "Dark humor is like food. Not everybody gets it."

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2 hours ago, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said:

Sweden is ascribing to herd immunity. This may or may not work. Time will tell.

 

It has the appearance of eliminating a large part of their pension system payouts. C-19 has a fatality rate that is significantly higher for those drawing a pension.

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6 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

It has the appearance of eliminating a large part of their pension system payouts. C-19 has a fatality rate that is significantly higher for those drawing a pension.

 

That's the group it's hitting the hardest here in Canada, especially in the seniors residences and nursing homes.

Our PM used to claim "The Budget will balance itself."

Now, with the size of the stimulus packages being given out, I guess this is part of how he'll do it.

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1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

It has the appearance of eliminating a large part of their pension system payouts. C-19 has a fatality rate that is significantly higher for those drawing a pension.

 

I.e. old people. Sort of in the nature of the thing.

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17 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

It has the appearance of eliminating a large part of their pension system payouts. C-19 has a fatality rate that is significantly higher for those drawing a pension.

 

The whole thing is built on a fallacy. It is estimated that 40%+ of people that have had Covid, never had symptoms. The numbers quoted by the media, both morbidity and mortality are false. We don't know the true number of cases, and the mortality rate will probably end up being no more than the flu. But I am just making an educated guess. The CDC says 1,000,000 cases of Covid. The true number may be 5 million, 10 million, who knows?

 

The CDC estimates upwards of 62,000 deaths from this flu season, yet we don't see the panic that we do with Covid, with a similar number of deaths. I have a hard time justifying that in my tiny brain. I think we'll kook back at 2020 years from now and wonder why the world went into mass hysteria.

 

I'm fortunate that I am retired and not worrying about a paycheck. My life hasn't changed all that much, except I can't judge the steak and BBQ contests that I normally do, nor go to Costco for goods. Local cattlemen, trying to survive, have started selling direct to customers, so that has been a plus for me. I'd rather support the local guy, than giving my dollars to Costco.

 

I don't know about Sweden. I have a close friend who is a police captain there, and he tells me people seem fine with what the government is doing. While I don't trust the numbers being put out, it does appear that the 65+ crowd has a higher death rate. This means us old farts just need to use extra precautions, and be responsible for ourselves, not what some talking head on the tube tells us to do.

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3 hours ago, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said:

 

The whole thing is built on a fallacy. It is estimated that 40%+ of people that have had Covid, never had symptoms. The numbers quoted by the media, both morbidity and mortality are false. We don't know the true number of cases, and the mortality rate will probably end up being no more than the flu. But I am just making an educated guess. The CDC says 1,000,000 cases of Covid. The true number may be 5 million, 10 million, who knows?

 

The CDC estimates upwards of 62,000 deaths from this flu season, yet we don't see the panic that we do with Covid, with a similar number of deaths. I have a hard time justifying that in my tiny brain. I think we'll kook back at 2020 years from now and wonder why the world went into mass hysteria.

 

 

 

For me the difference is influenza took 365 days to kill 62,000. If you believe the numbers, Covid-19 has killed that many in less than 45 days. Even if you cut the number of C-19 deaths in half, 31,000 is still a lot of deaths in less than 45 days.

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On 5/2/2020 at 7:06 PM, Sedalia Dave said:

 

For me the difference is influenza took 365 days to kill 62,000. If you believe the numbers, Covid-19 has killed that many in less than 45 days. Even if you cut the number of C-19 deaths in half, 31,000 is still a lot of deaths in less than 45 days.

 

On average, the flu season lasts 13 weeks, not one year. The first case of coronavirus in the US was January 21, thus 15 weeks not 45 days. Yes, Covid can kill people, but we know so little about why one person has no symptoms and another dies quickly, not considering age and underlying conditions. Experts can't even decide if ventilators are useful -- there is impassioned debate within the medical community, with some doctors moving away from the use of ventilators and others defending the current standard of care. What’s clear, though, is COVID-19 patients on ventilators aren’t doing as well as doctors would hope.

 

All of this uncertainty generates fear. The media preys on fear, with the talking heads babbling 24/7. I am in an 'at risk' group, so I use common sense precautions. But I refuse to live in fear. Here's a little laugh for you.

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3 minutes ago, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said:

Yes, Covid can kill people, but we know so little about why one person has no symptoms and another dies quickly,

 

Do you know if it's possible to have flu without symptoms?

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7 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said:

 

Do you know if it's possible to have flu without symptoms?

 

Upwards of 50% of flu cases can be asymptomatic, yet those people are still infectious to others.

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Just now, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said:

 

Upwards of 50% of flu cases can be asymptomatic, yet those people are still infectious to others.

 

Hmm, sounds a bit like the China virus then.

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