G W Wade Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Could you use 45 cowboy special in a Ruger vaquero chambered in 45 acp. The case size is right but will the rim have room to rotate? Question came up the other day when talking to a friend who has one. Thanks GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I would guess that it would probably not. The acp is designed to headspace off the case mouth while the 45 Cowboy uses the rim to set the head space. So most likely, there would not be room for the 45 Cowboy special in the 45 acp cylinder. If the Ruger comes with a 45 Colt cylinder, the 45 Special would work in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Gray, #36839 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 GW you are far from compatible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zeb Gray, #36839 said: GW you are far from compatible Thanks Zeb. That"s one on the nicest things people have said about me, I think GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medicine Creek Johnny Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 A binder mechanic would just use a bigger hammer and make it fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Friend, SASS #53635 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 That ain’t no hammer, that’s a swing press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Medicine Creek Johnny said: A binder mechanic would just use a bigger hammer and make it fit We were told at binder mechanic school that we were not allowed to use hammers anymore. We were supposed to use whackcommiters Have them from 4 oz to 35 lbs. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 15 hours ago, G W Wade said: Could you use 45 cowboy special in a Ruger vaquero chambered in 45 acp. The case size is right but will the rim have room to rotate? Question came up the other day when talking to a friend who has one. Thanks GW No .. not in the Ruger ... (see Blackhawk photo below) ... BUT ... I but I suspect they would just work fine in a 45 acp moon clip gun ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Patagonia Pete said: No .. not in the Ruger ... (see Blackhawk photo below) ... BUT ... I but I suspect they would just work fine in a 45 acp moon clip gun ... Thanks Pete. Didn:t realize Ruger cylinder was recessed...Was thinking might clear but now I can see it won"t. Moon clip guns in 45acp require 45AR brass with .090 rim to make up for rim and thickness of moon clip. Was thinking you could put more crimp on without risking misfires due to headspace problems. Own several 45 acp revolvers and have learned they can misfire for several reasons such as over crimping and even bent moon clips softening hammer blow. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Cowboy 45 Special will run thru a Uberti 45 ACP cylinder like wet grain thru a goose. Most excellent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: . . . wet grain thru a goose . . . I love it ♥ ♥ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I load .45 CS in my .45 ACP dies. Both have the same case length and taper crimps. I cannot say it will work, but I do not know why it wouldn't be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Dacious Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 My Talo edition 45acp, New Vaquero, shoots CB45 with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 On 4/24/2019 at 6:14 PM, G W Wade said: Could you use 45 cowboy special in a Ruger vaquero chambered in 45 acp. The case size is right but will the rim have room to rotate? Question came up the other day when talking to a friend who has one. Thanks GW I don’t know the dimensions of the 45 cowboy special case but my 45 acp Vaquero doesn’t have the recess for moon clips. The head of a 45acp round does not sit flush with the cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Caboose said: I don’t know the dimensions of the 45 cowboy special case but my 45 acp Vaquero doesn’t have the recess for moon clips. The head of a 45acp round does not sit flush with the cylinder. Should put one in there and compare case head clearance but it looks like they would work just fine ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Patagonia Pete said: Should put one in there and compare case head clearance but it looks like they would work just fine ... I don’t have any cowboy special cases.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Caboose said: I don’t have any cowboy special cases.. You will in about 4 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 Thanks guys, Think were getting close to the answer. I found a couple of 45 CS and will be seeing the owner of the 45acp Vaquero this weekend. Finally time for our first shoot of the year. Been 6 months so getting pretty excited even there is good chance of rain with chance of snow GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: You will in about 4 days Thanks Tyrel.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Dacious Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Caboose said: I don’t know the dimensions of the 45 cowboy special case but my 45 acp Vaquero doesn’t have the recess for moon clips. No moon clip needed. Load one at a time as normal, just like any single action. The head of a 45acp round does not sit flush with the cylinder. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 My question is why would you want to? What’s wrong with using 45 acp in the 45 acp cylinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Dot, 14911 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Nothing unless you want to shoot Classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 10 hours ago, two dot said: Nothing unless you want to shoot Classic 45 special is classic cowboy legal? Seems like it shouldn’t be, but that’s just me. I like to use 45 schofield when I shoot classic, especially in my schofield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 CC requires .40 or greater rimmed case. (or .36 min cap gun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major E A Sterner #12916 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 On 4/25/2019 at 10:41 AM, Patagonia Pete said: No .. not in the Ruger ... (see Blackhawk photo below) ... BUT ... I but I suspect they would just work fine in a 45 acp moon clip gun ... The .45a.c.p. cylinder in the photo is for a 3 screw Blackhawk, they had the clearance groove for the firing pin. The New Model .45 a.c.p. cylinders don't have that groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo Dacious Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 One of these is a 45 ACP and the other is a 45CS. they both work perfectly. Why would I use 45CS? Either I don't want to load BP in a ACP case or I want to load to the minimum to reduce recoil and don't want to use that load in my 1911. No need for a moon clip, you can't use a moon or a half moon clip with a single action gate anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bittertrigger Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 On 4/24/2019 at 6:14 PM, G W Wade said: Could you use 45 cowboy special in a Ruger vaquero chambered in 45 acp. The case size is right but will the rim have room to rotate? Question came up the other day when talking to a friend who has one. Thanks GW Yes you can I have a pair of Birdhead Vaqueros camber in 45acp and shoot 45cspl’s for a Classic Cowboy works just fine no issues what so ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted April 28, 2019 Author Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just got back from trying 45CS in pards gun., with same results as Bittertrigger. Thanks for the help guys GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 I shot C45S in these two Rugers with 45ACP cylinders. The only frustration was with tight chambers and throats. One advantage I can think of is you can apply a heavy roll crimp as they headspace on rim. The other advantage is that if you are shooting C45S in rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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