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Standard Manufacturing single action revolver

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One of the new firearms announced at the 2017 SHOT Show is replica of the Colt SAA. You can see it on Gunblast.com's video of "Industry Day at the range". Standard Manufacturing says they are making them in Connecticut; another YouTube host reported that this will be a close replica of the Colt so no transfer bar.

 

If anyone has or gets more info about these revolvers please post a reply.

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Standard was also showing a CCH 1911. You can bet the guns won't be cheap. "if" they make it to market

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Standard was also showing a CCH 1911. You can bet the guns won't be cheap. "if" they make it to market

I believe they said the blue/cch would be about $1600 I think. Nickel $100-$200 more. So basically paying colt prices for a clone.

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Posted · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Start of a series of unsults.
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Why not just buy a Pietta? They bought Colt's machinery to produce most if not all of the parts for Colt. All Colt does is assemble them in the US and do the Custom shop work here. Parts are interchangeable between Colt AND Pietta.

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Why not just buy a Pietta? They bought Colt's machinery to produce most if not all of the parts for Colt. All Colt does is assemble them in the US and do the Custom shop work here. Parts are interchangeable between Colt AND Pietta.

You are joking right? I made a similar joke awhile back but apparently forgot to put the little smiley face after it. I'm assuming you did the same thing because I know you can't be serious.

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Why not just buy a Pietta? They bought Colt's machinery to produce most if not all of the parts for Colt. All Colt does is assemble them in the US and do the Custom shop work here. Parts are interchangeable between Colt AND Pietta.

 

Sir, I've heard you assert this twice on the wire in the last month or so but you are the only fella I've heard it from.

 

Do we collectively know if this is the case?

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Posted (edited) · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Comment about hidden post.
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Why not just buy a Pietta? They bought Colt's machinery to produce most if not all of the parts for Colt. All Colt does is assemble them in the US and do the Custom shop work here. Parts are interchangeable between Colt AND Pietta.

SOoooooooooooo-What's ya drink'n tonight. :rolleyes:

Whatever source you are using is wrong. :angry:

Call Colt and ask THEM.

 

OLG

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Posted (edited) · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Insult
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My gunsmith told me a few years ago that Colt had sold off most of their machinery to an Italian company (Pietta) and have them making the parts for the SAA's. Colt wanted to concentrate on the 1911's and AR's. They still do the custom shop work but they just assemble the SAA's now. I'm only passing along what I was told by someone who's been working on and building firearm's for years. I do know Colts parts are interchangeable with Pietta's. When I needed cylinder bushings for my Pietta's I got hold of Peacemaker Specialists and they sent me the bushings. Perfect fit.

 

AND OLG.......you don't need to be rude to make a point with YOUR vast knowledge of everything.

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Posted (edited) · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Mention of edited post.
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....***...

FYI...speaking from experience...the use of THAT acronym will earn you an edit (and possibly a personal warning) from the Wire moderators.

 

:o

Edited by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L
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PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L, on 21 Jan 2017 - 9:25 PM, said:PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L, on 21 Jan 2017 - 9:25 PM, said:PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L, on 21 Jan 2017 - 9:25 PM, said:

FYI...speaking from experience...the use of THAT acronym will earn you an edit (and possibly a personal warning) from the Wire moderators.

 

:o

 

OK...I'll edit it out

 

Done...but he doesn't need to be rude either.

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OK...I'll edit it out

 

Done...but he doesn't need to be rude either.

I edited it out of my reply as well.

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My gunsmith told me a few years ago that Colt had sold off most of their machinery to an Italian company (Pietta) and have them making the parts for the SAA's. Colt wanted to concentrate on the 1911's and AR's. They still do the custom shop work but they just assemble the SAA's now. I'm only passing along what I was told by someone who's been working on and building firearm's for years. I do know Colts parts are interchangeable with Pietta's. When I needed cylinder bushings for my Pietta's I got hold of Peacemaker Specialists and they sent me the bushings. Perfect fit.

 

Your gunsmith is wrong.

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Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Comment about hidden post.

 

Your gunsmith is wrong.

 

OK...I just relayed what I was told. What I'm curious about with Colt is if they're still making all of their parts, why does it take up to 2 years (someone else in here used that time span) to get a new SAA from them?

I know why it can take months to get a Uberti or Pietta; and a lot of that is the month long vacation they take every summer and another extended "holiday" around Christmas. Those cut into machining time as does the Italian Govt's mandatory dockside inspection before shipping is allowed. That's after having already inspected the shipment at the factories before they were sent dockside. A Taylor's rep told me about that new practice in Italy.

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I just got back from SHOT. I handled the SAA samples they had at the show. It is a legitimate company. They have done the CCH work for Colt for years. The revolvers loked great, BUT they were extremely rough handling and were seriously over=sprung. Should be available by late Summer.

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OK...I just relayed what I was told. What I'm curious about with Colt is if they're still making all of their parts, why does it take up to 2 years (someone else in here used that time span) to get a new SAA from them?

I know why it can take months to get a Uberti or Pietta; and a lot of that is the month long vacation they take every summer and another extended "holiday" around Christmas. Those cut into machining time as does the Italian Govt's mandatory dockside inspection before shipping is allowed. That's after having already inspected the shipment at the factories before they were sent dockside. A Taylor's rep told me about that new practice in Italy.

It doesn't take two years to make a Colt single action. It takes two years to get one from the custom shop. According to Brent from the colt custom shop, once you place your order, it guest on the queue and waits until they make a run of SAA. They only make about 1000 a year and have to retool the machines for those runs. If they were set up to make SAA all year around, they customer order would take far less than two years. It's not perfect, but that's how things go

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If the Standard guy keeps referring to their clone as a Single Action Army Colt's lawyers will line him out with a cease and desist order.

 

USFA never made that mistake in nomenclature. AWA did and it did not work out well for them IIRC.

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The President of Standard worked for Colt for quite few years. Left about 3 years ago. He was also very familiar with the USFA SAA program. I think they are trying out the market with many different prototypes to see what has interest. They even had a semi-auto Thompson in the booth. Beautiful looking work on all the firearms. I have no idea what will actually happen.

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Redwood Kid, on 22 Jan 2017 - 12:39 PM, said:

It doesn't take two years to make a Colt single action. It takes two years to get one from the custom shop. According to Brent from the colt custom shop, once you place your order, it guest on the queue and waits until they make a run of SAA. They only make about 1000 a year and have to retool the machines for those runs. If they were set up to make SAA all year around, they customer order would take far less than two years. It's not perfect, but that's how things go

 

That answers that, thanks. If the demand for the SAA's is there then why don't they run more when they do make them. And are the only SAA's Colt makes custom shop fancy ones? What about the "standard'' models? Does the custom shop make those too?

I looked at 2 of my distributors catalogs and the only SAA's shown are 45LC and 357. They show a new frontier in 44spl. Both I looked at have none in stock of any model. My dealer cost for the "cheapest" ones is $1360, so I guess that answered my own question.

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Folks often get their facts mixed up. Confusing SAA production with Colt's 2nd Series Percussion guns. Colt did in fact, contract with Uberti to provide forgings for their 2nd Series percussion "re-issue" guns. The parts were then fitted and finished at the Colt factory. A second set of Uberti forgings were then turned over to Iver Johnson for fit and finish; these came to be the "Signature Series". Unlike the earlier 2nd Series percussion guns, these did not carry any Colt warranty. They were shipped in Colt boxes and carry the Colt address and name under license from Colt. Colt has made and continue to make the forgings for their SAAs and several other guns. They do outsource some processes, like CCH, but done to their standards and processes.

 

The story goes that Colt sold their old machinery to Pietta, who now produces clones on those machines. So, you if want a worn-out Colt, buy a new Pietta! Piettas are known as the closest to Colt in size and interchangeability... but don't count of EVERYTHING being interchangeable. Hellfire and tarnation, I have a Colt bolt in an old Jager built clone. It didn't fit... but with file and Manuel Labor, I made it work!

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The same rumors and questionable comments are made about the Colt 1878 shotguns. Colt historian says they were made in USA. Others have commented they were made in England. Hard to know the truth. I've seen pictures of English made shotguns that look virtually identical. Seeing that Colt was already a large international company, it would be easy for them to just have the guns made for them. If not totally made in England, maybe the majority of the parts and then assembled in US.

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That answers that, thanks. If the demand for the SAA's is there then why don't they run more when they do make them. And are the only SAA's Colt makes custom shop fancy ones? What about the "standard'' models? Does the custom shop make those too?

I looked at 2 of my distributors catalogs and the only SAA's shown are 45LC and 357. They show a new frontier in 44spl. Both I looked at have none in stock of any model. My dealer cost for the "cheapest" ones is $1360, so I guess that answered my own question.

The answer to your question regarding custom orders is that it has to be something not offered as a standard model. Currently those are only 45 and 357 in all three barrel lengths and both finishes. So in order to place a custom order, something else needs to be included like different caliber or custom barrel length, engraving, etc. as to why the don't make more, word is there just aren't enough smiths to build them and there's virtually no profit in it. I'm still shocked that they make them at all.

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The answer to your question regarding custom orders is that it has to be something not offered as a standard model. Currently those are only 45 and 357 in all three barrel lengths and both finishes. So in order to place a custom order, something else needs to be included like different caliber or custom barrel length, engraving, etc. as to why the don't make more, word is there just aren't enough smiths to build them and there's virtually no profit in it. I'm still shocked that they make them at all.

There are only two guys that work on the SAA at Colt. The issue isn't there are not enough smiths. The issue is there is not enough demand to have a full-time production line. Colt tried making a bunch of SAA's a few years ago and keeping an inventory so they would be available on dealer shelves. Heck the local Cabelas had them on the shelf. The problem is they sold very slowly so now they are only made to order. Pretty much everything comes out of the "custom" shop as there is really no such thing as a standard "production" model at this point. When they get enough orders they run off a batch. Think about it. They build about 1,000 per year. That is only about 80 per month or around 4 per work day. Four is about a minute's worth of production at Ruger.

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Posted (edited) · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Rude
Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, January 23, 2017 - Rude

 

Your gunsmith is wrong.

+ 10000000000000000000000

 

 

I suggest you call Colt and ask them!!! :lol: They'll get a good laugh!!

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Rye Miles #13621, on 22 Jan 2017 - 4:42 PM, said:

+ 10000000000000000000000

 

 

I suggest you call Colt and ask them!!! :lol: They'll get a good laugh!!

 

I already acknowledged that I and my gunsmith were wrong....or which part of that couldn't you understand?

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AND OLG.......you don't need to be rude to make a point.

 

 

 

I already acknowledged that I and my gunsmith were wrong....or which part of that couldn't you understand?

 

An yet, YOU :rolleyes: seem to be fine with being 'rude'. <_<

Bit of a double standard, me thinks. :huh:

 

OLG

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SOoooooooooooo-What's ya drink'n tonight. :rolleyes:

Whatever source you are using is wrong. :angry:

Call Colt and ask THEM.

 

OLG

Hmmmm

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The Original Lumpy Gritz, on 22 Jan 2017 - 6:52 PM, said:

 

 

 

An yet, YOU :rolleyes: seem to be fine with being 'rude'. <_<

Bit of a double standard, me thinks. :huh:

 

OLG

 

I've acknowledged that I relayed something that was wrong more than once. Yet people keep making snide comments. I tend to get more than a bit testy when that happens. Yes I was rude also. Now I will drop it if the rest will. OK???

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I have never seen so many insults in one thread.

 

PS If you don't see them, it is because I hid them. Rudeness does not reflect well on our sport.

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