Cypress Sun Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Shooter shoots rifle in the correct order/targets and restages rifle open/empty. Shoots pistols in the correct order/targets and re-holsters. Starts to shoot the shotgun, reaches for shells........didn't put any in the belt. Sets shotgun down open/empty, returns to guncart (about 10' away behind shooting line) retrieves shells from cart, goes back to the line and shoots shotgun in correct order/targets. Pistols remained in shooters holsters (with empty cases) during the trip to and from guncart. What is the call, if any. CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Not adhering to loading or unloading procedures, SDQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thinkin' no call... I'm thinkin' I've seen this discussed before.. Errrr uuhhh.. maybe should have staged his pistols?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thinkin' no call... I'm thinkin' I've seen this discussed before.. Errrr uuhhh.. maybe should have staged his pistols?? Exactly, shooter left the line with pistols that had not been cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 In this case you laugh, make fun of the shooter and give him a SDQ. PS: If gun cart was 9 feet...........no call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Ramrod Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Stage Disqualification SASS ROI Page 25 • Failure to adhere to loading and unloading procedures. Now, if he safely left his revolvers on the stage and went to his cart, no call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 BTDT...afterwards it was advised to stage the revolvers before leaving the firing line (mine were still loaded). Call should have been a SDQ. Same in this case (loaded or empty) REF post #'s 2 & 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 PPS: Good thing I was not able to get involved in the call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Flush Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I believe shooter still needs to bring the ammo to the line in an approved manner after retrieving it from his cart. Penalty would be the same as illegally acquired ammo. RF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I believe shooter still needs to bring the ammo to the line in an approved manner after retrieving it from his cart. Penalty would be the same as illegally acquired ammo. RF Isn't a SDQ enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Reshoot!!! ROI page 3 Shooter Inventory . Another good way to assist the shooter is to visually inventory each shooter at the line just before starting your range commands. This means you should inspect the shooter to see if they have all the equipment to complete the course of fire. For example, if you know the shooter is supposed to have shotgun shells on their person, but you don’t see them, simply ask where they are. Also, look for the appropriate safety equipment. We all know how disconcerting it is to fire your first shot only to realize your earplugs aren’t in! Just joshin, I know the shooter is responsible, but hopefully any TOs reading this will remember to check for shotgun shells in the future! I would be willing to be the TO in this particual case will. There is nothing worse than realizing that you missed something like that, and it led to a SDQ. I am grateful to all who are willing to hold the timer, without them, where would we be! I know no one likes to assess a penalty on a shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't forget to count the misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't forget to count the misses What misses? A SDQ is all he gets. He could have missed every single rifle and pistol target also and only gotten a SDQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't forget to count the misses yeah. SDQ +4 misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Failure to stage guns or ammunition at the designated position(s)/location(s) is the fault of the competitor and scored as a procedural unless the competitor is able to correct the situation, unassisted, while in the process of completing the stage under time. The penalty for using "illegally acquired" ammunition (i.e., NOT carried to the line/staged by the shooter in an approved manner) is a PROCEDURAL. Any targets hit using that ammo are scored as MISSES. NO adjustments will be made to the stage raw time. SHB p.21 / RO1 p.20 To reiterate: The retrieval of the ammo from the cart is LEGAL...the penalty for leaving the firing line with uncleared revolvers (fired or not) is the SDQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang It Dan 13202 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 And where was the TO during this trip back to the cart? I am not minimizing the responsibility of the shooter in this case, but the TO has the duty to keep everyone safe, or as much as he/she can do so, on the stage. Letting a shooter leave the line during an active stage of fire should not have ever happened - ever. There are damn few cases a TO should lay hands on a shooter, but this is a clear example of when the TO should have stopped the shooter and explained that they could not just leave to go get shotgun shells, or a Slurpee, or a Lotto ticket..... Just my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 As PaleWolf said, LEGAL in CAS as long as you don't break another rule. In WBAS it is a SDQ to leave the firing line after committed to the stage if you go anywhere except directly to the Unloading table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks for making the distinction between WBAS and SASS, HJ. We have been clearing 1911's and long guns at the line at some matches (Wild Bunch at Fire and Ice). The upside is that it is faster sometimes because we're showing 1911 clear anyway and the shooter must retrieve long guns. The downside is that after 2-3 days of it I found myself heading straight to my guncart at WR more than once. Thankfully the posse and ULT got my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Won't the style points almost cancel out the SDQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Won't the style points almost cancel out the SDQ. It depends on if they sashay, meander, stoll, wander, traverse, or trot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Sorry Matthew, It's a SDQ because it is a MAJOR safety violation. Your guns are not considered empty until you clear them at the unloading table. So you would get ZERO style points from me. Possum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I heard tell of a young man from the west coast having to go back for shotshells, still beat everyone else on the stage.... wore a derby I heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 So NEXT time ground those pistols before you take your trip to the gun cart........lol Style points and no SDQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 AND remember to reholster before shooting SG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawd Awful Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I heard tell of a young man from the west coast having to go back for shotshells, still beat everyone else on the stage.... wore a derby I heard And he did stage his pistols when he did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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