Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Gunfight last night in Watertown, Mass resulted in one bomber killed. The other is on the run in the Watertown area. One LEO dead, another wounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I am sure some of the 'taking heads' in the media are sad that they turned out not to be Tea Party NRA loving white patriots Prayers up for our law enforcement officers that hunt these bastards down - and special prayers for the ones who sacrifice their lives doing so - like MIT officer 26 year old Sean Collier killed early this morning. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Branch Louie Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hope no other officers get harmed, but if they happen to plug him along the way I won't feel bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 The entire City of Boston is shut down. No buses or subway. Everyone ordered to stay in their homes. Schools closed. House-to-house search in progress in suburb ten miles west. This is an astounding manhunt. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-06-18-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It's only a matter of time before the second animal is taken out. The only question I have is whether or not they acted independently or are a cell. Given the history of Chechnya I`m leaning toward the latter. Not good news. The Chechnyan extremists are some fanatical murderes. A definite media frenzy right now for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Mary Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm busy praying for your city LL, sure hope no one else gets hurt....except for the suspect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Apparently they have a house (houses) surrounded... http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606982001/ NBC news: Two people in custody as hunt for 2nd bomber continues CBS Boston: http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/ apparently an uncle of the supects told the media that the one suspect killed was a 'loser' and that 'he deserved it' ( being killed). GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 After the debacle about an arrest being made the other day the press said they would be very careful about speculating and releasing incorrect info yada yada. That's all out the window now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 When they get through with it, we will probably never know all of the story. Glad they got the perp. Sorry about the two officers. Condolences to his family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 After the debacle about an arrest being made the other day the press said they would be very careful about speculating and releasing incorrect info yada yada. That's all out the window now. seems they got this one right GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 We're all getting a demo of what has resulted from the expansion of law enforcement since 2001. This entire city and the surrounding area is occupied. Boston Police, State Police, FBI, ATF, another dozen police departments from surrounding towns, the MBTA police, and what appear to be National Guard troops in fatigues. SWAT teams, Fire Dept. vehicles, armored vehicles, etc. If there is an asset in a 25 mile radius, it is on the streets LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Sounds like the Detroit riots of the 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Pony Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I am NOT making light of this situation but for some reason it reminds me of two young officers I worked with years ago... Call them John and Jim. Both extremely dedicated, enthusiastic, gung ho, fit young guys. One night they were dealing with an individual who decided to run away from them. Officer Jim takes off in foot pursuit and Officer John reports Jim told the knuckle head "I'm gonna get you" as both start the chase. Well Officer Jim starts to gain on the runner and Officer John relates Officer Jim tells goofy "I'm gonna get you." The chase goes on a bit longer, Officer Jim closes the gap and again tells goofy "I'm gonna get you." The gap closes, Officer Jim takes goofy down in a forceful, positive manner and once in custody Officer Jim tells the subject "I told you I was gonna get you." That's what is going to happen in this case too, good police work is going to win the day. With luck suspect 2 will be taken into custody and be wrung out for every bit of intel the sick freak can provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 We're all getting a demo of what has resulted from the expansion of law enforcement since 2001. This entire city and the surrounding area is occupied. Boston Police, State Police, FBI, ATF, another dozen police departments from surrounding towns, the MBTA police, and what appear to be National Guard troops in fatigues. SWAT teams, Fire Dept. vehicles, armored vehicles, etc. If there is an asset in a 25 mile radius, it is on the streets LL Stay safe pard. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It's only a matter of time before the second animal is taken out. The only question I have is whether or not they acted independently or are a cell. Given the history of Chechnya I`m leaning toward the latter. Not good news. The Chechnyan extremists are some fanatical murderes. A definite media frenzy right now for sure. People from that part of the world know how to hate and hold a grudge. And if the grudge dies of old age, they have it stuffed and mounted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I agree with Utah Bob, these two kids didn't get the idea to do this all by themselves. Two young male Muslims...who woulda thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. H. O' Sullivan Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 And CNN is bending over backwards to describe suspect #2 (19 year) as a normal teenager who smokes and drinks based on comments from former friends. They're trying to minimize the Muslim connection. This is the beginning of their narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 At the risk of becoming one of those aggravating, uninformed talking heads who endlessly speculate about the "why" questions in this scenario, there have been a few details reported on the local coverage that appear to add something to the analysis. Both men have been in the US for 8-10 years; The older brother, "Suspect #1", was a decent boxer, making his way into the Golden Gloves program, and was a potential US Olympic Team candidate; however he is described by an uncle as "a loser", and complained that he had "not one friend" in America; he apparently told his parents, now living in Russia, that he was a second year med student; that is unconfirmed. The younger brother (Suspect #2) graduated from a local high school, where he was a decent wrestler. He reportedly earned a $2500 scholarship, and briefly attended a local community college. High school acquaintances described him as "quiet but nice" and far from the type of person they would suspect to be an angry bomber. I'm with UB; no sense trying to figure out motivations and psyches until all of the facts are in and they are confirmed. If we were not dealing with ugly death and maiming, it would almost be hilarious to listen to these reporters, tripping over themselves trying to fill air time with baseless speculation and ludicrous statements. Patience, and all will be revealed. Well, maybe. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 ...I would bet that there will be more suspects that helped these killers do what they did. Gonna be a long investigation... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 And CNN is bending over backwards to describe suspect #2 (19 year) as a normal teenager who smokes and drinks based on comments from former friends. They're trying to minimize the Muslim connection. This is the beginning of their narrative. Why the apparent problem with minimizing a Muslim connection? The last thing we need are some hotheads getting inspired to run around offing innocent people becaiuse of their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Why the apparent problem with minimizing a Muslim connection? The last thing we need are some hotheads getting inspired to run around offing innocent people becaiuse of their religion. True - noboby wants inncocents getting hurt. However, if there is a Muslim connection it shouldn't be minimized like what happened in the Fort Hood attack. Too early to speculate motive, but if indeed it has an Islamic connection it needs to be called out for what it is. "Let me be very clear, the terrorist attack in Boston and evolving events indicate we have a domestic radical Islamic terror problem in America. We must no longer allow the disciples of political correctness and the acolytes of the Muslim Brotherhood (CAIR, ISNA, MPAC, MAS) to preach to us some misconceived definition of tolerance and subservience. When tolerance becomes a one way street it leads to cultural suicide. Carlos Bledsoe in Little Rock, MAJ Hasan in Ft Hood, the Ft Dix Six, Faisal Shahazad in NYC Times Square -- these are just the examples I can type now. When Rep Peter King attempted to have hearings on domestic terrorism he was attacked for being racist. No more excuses. No more apologies." Col. Allen West Anyway - that's all I'll post on this subject on this thread. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 This epic did not begin well, and I suspect that it will not end well. Betting hard money that more to this story than two disgruntled young men on a bombing lark for kicks and giggles. It has all the marks of a sinister program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 "The father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber called on his son today to give up peacefully, but warned the U.S. that if his son is killed "all hell will break loose."" http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspects-dad-tells-son-surrender-hell/story?id=18995936#.UXFZUMpWKSo geez...what about the victims from both of your son's actions dad.... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Howdy: I am surprised (no, I am not surprised) by the lack of comment on just WHO dis this. I suppose we will have to wait for CNN and the jackasses there to report it was Evangelical Scot Presbyterians, or Roman Catholics or Evangelical Laestadian Lutherans who did this. After all, remember the Crusaders - they were Christians. Probably linked to Southern Baptists. GRRRR Expect nothing, because that is what will will get. It was Elmer Fudd that did this (he is a gun owner you know)! I am going to go vomit now. STL Suomi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I agree with Utah Bob, these two kids didn't get the idea to do this all by themselves. Two young male Muslims...who woulda thought... You picked up on that, too! Father says the dead one was an "Angel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U B Mountain #40498 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 A LOT OF COFFEE BATHROOMS???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I just listened to the live interview with the uncle. I hope that the media releases a full transcript of the interview. The uncle is a legal immigrant who came to the US for all the right reasons, and he had nothing but praise for his adopted country. He also had the strongest words about his nephews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 The black helicopters have arrived. Unfortunately, it seems that they have no idea where this guy is LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Chechnya is predominately Sunni Muslim, it appears that these two have had some field craft training. I suspect their is a large number of conspirators. You can bet they will play down the islamic connection, When barry makes a statement it will be similar to the "work place violence" attack at Fort Hood carried out by hasson. ( I refuse to use the title of Major on that scumbag) We'll hear this: "let's not hold an entire group of people responsible for the actions of one or two individuals" Too bad America's 93 million + law abiding gun owners are never offered that thought or courtesy when some nut case decides to shoot someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I just listened to the live interview with the uncle. I hope that the media releases a full transcript of the interview. The uncle is a legal immigrant who came to the US for all the right reasons, and he had nothing but praise for his adopted country. He also had the strongest words about his nephews. Damn right! I got his back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 UNusual for Chechens to be involved in attacks on US. There are some Chechens in Al Qaeda and it's offshoots however, so some recruiting may have been done. I would have suspected a claim from one of those groups by this time. It will be interesting if they can discover any international travel recently for these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 UNusual for Chechens to be involved in attacks on US. There are some Chechens in Al Qaeda and it's offshoots however, so some recruiting may have been done. I would have suspected a claim from one of those groups by this time. It will be interesting if they can discover any international travel recently for these two. That is what I am awaiting to hear. Something just does not ring true about this. Two young men do not just go out and set off homemade bombs in a crowd for a lark. Granted that young men are capable of some pretty stupid things, but somehow that does not seem to be the case here. They apparently had firearms but did not choose to use them until after the bombing. Pipe bombs and other explosive devices were in their possession. I am certain that the Feds have a lot more in their dossier than the talking heads have, but we will have to wait for it to play out. I am ok with that. I just hope that nobody gets killed or injured in the wait. This kid is like a wounded animal. Unpredictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 UNusual for Chechens to be involved in attacks on US. There are some Chechens in Al Qaeda and it's offshoots however, so some recruiting may have been done. I would have suspected a claim from one of those groups by this time. It will be interesting if they can discover any international travel recently for these two. Reports that I see are that they have not been in Chechnya for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancocas Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It was reported on TV the oldest one was back to Russia for seven months and they do not know his travels there. Think they said in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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