Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 What to do with a JM Marlin Cowboy rifle with a Remlin replaced carrier? More specifically, it won't feed reliably, keeps jamming. Is it possible to obtain a Marlin made carrier or will a new Ruger made carrier be made to function properly in the old Marlins? Yes I've had a really good cowboy smith look at it, helped but hes the one who realized it had been replaced with a Remlin made replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog McCoy SASS #5672 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) I might have an extra JM carrier. What caliber is it? If i don't have one, I have gotten Marlin parts from a place in Indiana. Edited September 22 by Maddog McCoy SASS #5672 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Basically, a carrier is a carrier. Unless its been broken or drastically reshaped or heated up and bent, it should be workable. They can be modified, tweaked, tuned, etc....... and even welded up in places that need a little build-up. If its jamming from the 'feed two'. (also known as the Marlin Jam) problem, the timing is off and a good Marlin smith should know how to remedy this problem. If its jamming during feeding into the chamber, the cradle area of the carrier can be modified, reshaped, etc..... for smooth reliable feeding. If the 'Extractor' is too stiff or misshaped, it can be replaced and properly tuned. Now, after all that, it is possible that the receiver, chamber, carrier and portal can be offset enough to cause misalignment when the bolt moves forward to feed a round from the carrier into the chamber. Its hard to diagnose some issues on the Wire without actually seeing the rifle. Best regards ..........Widder 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Wait a second!!!! You mean to tell me that the parts are the same and that the evil Remington parts are not the problem??? But everything Remington did was horrible and wrong...and ALL about the $$$$$$$. The parts can't be good! The have to be..."JM"... 🤪 Phantom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 OP, post a picture of the cartridge used, and how it 'jams' in this rifle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) Rev Willy Dunkum sent you a PM ref carrier with Marlin jam fixes all are Marlin's. Carriers for 38/357 only. Edited September 22 by Jackrabbit Joe #414 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 The first Remington Marlin I worked on was really a surprise. It was a .38/357 caliber. Normally in the Marlin 1894, when the mag tube touches up with the front portion of the portal, the portal should have a slight 'funnel' design, This design STOPS the 'Follower' from pushing completely thru the portal. On my first encounter with a newly produced Remington Marlin, someone had drilled that portal hold STRAIGHT thru, with no funnel design to stop the follower. When the shooter got down to the LAST round in the mag tube, the 'Follower' would push the last round onto the carrier AND the 'Follower' would also push thru onto the carrier. And when the gun was empty, the 'Follower' and some of the spring would protrude out onto the carrier. This situation would not allow the carrier to rise and basically was a big headache to fix. BUT.... it was fixed and worked correctly after some serious thinking and a little modification on the portal. ..........Widder 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 17 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Basically, a carrier is a carrier. Unless its been broken or drastically reshaped or heated up and bent, it should be workable. They can be modified, tweaked, tuned, etc....... and even welded up in places that need a little build-up. If its jamming from the 'feed two'. (also known as the Marlin Jam) problem, the timing is off and a good Marlin smith should know how to remedy this problem. If its jamming during feeding into the chamber, the cradle area of the carrier can be modified, reshaped, etc..... for smooth reliable feeding. If the 'Extractor' is too stiff or misshaped, it can be replaced and properly tuned. Now, after all that, it is possible that the receiver, chamber, carrier and portal can be offset enough to cause misalignment when the bolt moves forward to feed a round from the carrier into the chamber. Its hard to diagnose some issues on the Wire without actually seeing the rifle. Best regards ..........Widder THIS ^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 (edited) Bumping to add a question - who are the marlin gurus these days? Which rilly good cowboy gunsmith did you go to, Rev Dunkum? i realize that so many are retired… i traded for an old cowboy ltd .44mag and would like it to operate with shorties like .44 Russian Edited September 24 by WOLFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Gambler Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Bumping to add a question - who are the marlin gurus these days? Wolfy, you evidently didn't pay attention to the above replies from the best, or at the very least one of the best, Marlin gunsmiths. If Widder is still doing them, your search is over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 I followed Widder's exact instructions, measurements, and tweaks that he posted on Marauder's Old Irons site and made my Marlin into a Widdermatic. That little rifle is slick now. The timing was off before I started as I did have an instance of the "Marlin Jam". If you do want someone else to work on it, since Widder retired, he taught Slater at Slater's In House Guns, in Louisville, TN, how to sweeten up sour Marlins. In your neck o' the woods, Cowboy Carty, Carty Allaman, Western Gun Works, Monmouth, IL (309) 536-0163 is a wizard with Marlins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 17 minutes ago, McCandless said: I followed Widder's exact instructions, measurements, and tweaks that he posted on Marauder's Old Irons site and made my Marlin into a Widdermatic. That little rifle is slick now. The timing was off before I started as I did have an instance of the "Marlin Jam". If you do want someone else to work on it, since Widder retired, he taught Slater at Slater's In House Guns, in Louisville, TN, how to sweeten up sour Marlins. In your neck o' the woods, Cowboy Carty, Carty Allaman, Western Gun Works, Monmouth, IL (309) 536-0163 is a wizard with Marlins. WOLFY: Slater and Cowboy Carty are both excellent Marlin smiths. For short stroke help, Carty would be the 'Go-To' man. Longhunter is also a great smith on Marlins, but I think he has slowed down his Marlin work. To help with smoothness, feeding, and setting up your 1984 to feed the Russian, .44 special and .44 mag fodder, Slater would be my choice. Slater and I are friends, Cowboy shooting pards, and our families attend the same church. He's been an excellent student in learning all kinds of stuff about the Marlin and although rare, I still assist him with information and some technical help with some troublesome Marlins. He is VERY detailed in his work. Soon, I will be helping him on his first 'Widdermajik', which will feed both the Cowboy .45 Special and .45 Colt interchangeably. Some of the same modifications can be used to modify your 1894 to feed the Russian cartridge reliably. If your 1894 already feels good to you, is smooth and reliable...... and ALL you really want is to feed the Russian, you may only need your timing advanced a little. If you have questions on that, feel free to call me: 865 / 696-1996. Best regards ..........Widder 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Just to say if anyone having problems with the Marlin Carriers Jam, I have the 38/357 Marlin Carriers that have had the Marlin Jams all fixed if you need one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 On 9/23/2024 at 1:21 AM, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Wait a second!!!! You mean to tell me that the parts are the same and that the evil Remington parts are not the problem??? But everything Remington did was horrible and wrong...and ALL about the $$$$$$$. The parts can't be good! The have to be..."JM"... 🤪 Phantom a lot of the early remlins were made with left over JM parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Bald Eagle said: a lot of the early remlins were made with left over JM parts Absolutely correct. There are many Remlins with JM marked barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 The absolute worst rifle I ever had was an early Remlin model 39 .22 caliber. The absolute best rifle from Marlin I have is also a Remlin and it is a 45-70 caliber GBL. Go figure. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 3 hours ago, Dantankerous said: The absolute worst rifle I ever had was an early Remlin model 39 .22 caliber. The absolute best rifle from Marlin I have is also a Remlin and it is a 45-70 caliber GBL. Go figure. 😀 I wasn't aware that there were any Remlin 22lr leverguns made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 5 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: I wasn't aware that there were any Remlin 22lr leverguns made. If it wasn't then Marlin really screwed the pooch on this 39. During the first 50 rounds the gun became difficult to lever. I took it apart only to find metal shavings everywhere... the action was literally eating itself... Surprisingly Bass Pro took it back and swapped me a Marlin that worked as it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) Just for anyone who is interested in the Widder-Matic Carrier with the Marlin Jam Fix I have one left. If you're interested in it, I will send it to you free of charge and if you decide to keep it the price for it will cost you $85.00. I also have some Marlin carriers with the Marlin Jam fix. Edited September 27 by Jackrabbit Joe #414 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 Thank you to all the replies. I apologize for not getting back and explaining and showing photos. As i replied recently to PM's offering help, my dad passed away shortly after my initial post. Thanks again for the replies. You all are the best, Rev 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 26 minutes ago, Rev Willy Dunkum, SASS # 61027 said: Thank you to all the replies. I apologize for not getting back and explaining and showing photos. As i replied recently to PM's offering help, my dad passed away shortly after my initial post. Thanks again for the replies. You all are the best, Rev Prayers and condolences Pard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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