1878 shotgun

[Sleepy Floyd]

Found this at my local gun shop.  I was have some marbles front sights installed on my 2 new Taylors 1873's rifles.  While walking around the shop I spotted this 1878 cimarron.  It left with me.
Have not seen one like this.

 

[Sam Sackett]

Very nice!

 

Sam Sackett 

[Dutch Coroner]

That would have come home with me for sure.  

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

I want one 

[Nickel City Dude]

Do you know the name of the manufacturer? 

[Sleepy Floyd]

It's a cimarrom. 1878 
I have no idea who engrved it.

[Nickel City Dude]

Cimarron is just an importer and wholesaler.  Cimarron may be on the barrel, but the makers name should also be there.

[Kulshan 20262]

Looks like it says "Manufactured by JCM, PRC.".

[Dantankerous]

9 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

I want one 

 

I want two.

 

...one for each hand.

 

[Old Man Graybeard]

Nice...very nice. I don't think I could have resisted either

[Nickel City Dude]

6 hours ago, Kulshan 20262 said:

Looks like it says "Manufactured by JCM, PRC.".

I am not sure what JCM stands for but I know that PRC stands for Peoples Republic of China.  Anyone know what JCM stands for?

[Will Kane]

Beautiful!!

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

Cimarron received a handful of those 6 or 8 years ago with the somewhat primitive engraving done by the Chinese.  This was about the same time they were getting a few 26" barreled '78's and a few 16ga. too I believe.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

I don't mean to be snarky (yes I do) but of what use is knowing the manufacturer in China??  The 1878s imported by TTN and Cimarron were all made in the same factory, although the name now escapes me.  Not that we can get any more of 'em now anyway.

[Nickel City Dude]

45 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

 

I don't mean to be snarky (yes I do) but of what use is knowing the manufacturer in China??  The 1878s imported by TTN and Cimarron were all made in the same factory, although the name now escapes me.  Not that we can get any more of 'em now anyway.

Just curious to know if it was made by the same factory that made one that I had several years ago.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

DUDE,

 

Yes.  All of the TTN/Cimarron guns were made by the same factory.  There were some minor little tweaks done to improve some minor function, but the basic guns were all the same.  No matter when manufactured, the parts are interchangeable.  Perhaps with some minor fitting, but interchangeable.

 

JCM Global and JCM Global Ltd., is/are enablers.  They find someone to manufacture your stuff.  They are not actually a "Factory," but are more a "Clearing House."  After going through all MY stuff, I can't find my references beyond what JCM is.  I suspect the 1878 was manufactured in the same factory that made the IAC 97.  Don't quote me.  I would think the the folks who actually know are the folks at Cimarron.  Somebody might call and ask??  Oh, and TTN is "Thomas Trans National."

 

HEY ABILENE!!  You wanna give it a shot at Cimarron.  They might not tell just any old grump (me).

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

OK.  Maybe something shook loose.  POLYTECH rings a bell as the manufacturer.  NOT to be confused with NORINCO.

 

POLYTECH has made a bunch of stuff over the years.  Chinese copies of the M-14, SKS, some other stuff.

[Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L]

1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

DUDE,

 

Yes.  All of the TTN/Cimarron guns were made by the same factory.  There were some minor little tweaks done to improve some minor function, but the basic guns were all the same.  No matter when manufactured, the parts are interchangeable.  Perhaps with some minor fitting, but interchangeable.

 

JCM Global and JCM Global Ltd., is/are enablers.  They find someone to manufacture your stuff.  They are not actually a "Factory," but are more a "Clearing House."  After going through all MY stuff, I can't find my references beyond what JCM is.  I suspect the 1878 was manufactured in the same factory that made the IAC 97.  Don't quote me.  I would think the the folks who actually know are the folks at Cimarron.  Somebody might call and ask??  Oh, and TTN is "Thomas Trans National."

 

HEY ABILENE!!  You wanna give it a shot at Cimarron.  They might not tell just any old grump (me).

Thanks - I always wondered what the TTN stood for. Have had mine forever. It now backs up my 1887.

[Nickel City Dude]

CC

Thanks for the info.

NCD

[Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463]

Oh my that's a nice looking gun! My TTN has the antique finish.

 

[Sleepy Floyd]

Now I have to add an antique one.

 

[Irish Pat]

I doubt it came from the factory like that. That looks like custom work to me.

[Warden Callaway]

I have a higher grade Colt 1878 10 gauge with engraving. 

 

[Irish Pat]

I think the shotgun he found was made in China. If it was an original Colt it would really be worth a lot 

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

2 hours ago, Irish-Pat said:

I doubt it came from the factory like that. That looks like custom work to me.

As I mentioned earlier, that engraving was done at the Chinese factory.  A small number of them came in that way to Cimarron.

[Red Hooker]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:32 AM, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

Cimarron received a handful of those 6 or 8 years ago with the somewhat primitive engraving done by the Chinese.  This was about the same time they were getting a few 26" barreled '78's and a few 16ga. too I believe.

I don't suppose they're still around......

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

 

The TTN was never available in 16Ga.  12Ga only.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

So, here's the deal.  Coffinmaker, please pay attention.  I remembered the guns, but not the details so I contacted my compadre AD who was my Cimarron coworker when we took some of those guns to Winter Range one year.  He said there were at least 3 or 4 of the 16ga, one of which he sold to T-Bone.  He recalled that the engraved guns and the 16's were samples made by the Chinese factory that TTN never saw nor ordered.  I guess someone found them on a shelf in the factory and sent them to Cimarron with the next shipment of '78's.

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

Hey Abilene 

 

Ok, there may have been "3 or 4" 16Ga made for TTN, but that doesn't mean they were readily available.  Similarly, the 6 Stainless 1897s that were built as prototype but never made it to production, also did not make the stainless 97 readily available.  Limited "Samples" do not a production run make.

 

So here it is!!  Pay attention Abilene.   TTN never marketed 16Ga 1878s.  TTN never saw the supposed 16Ga '78s.  16Ga 1878s were never readily available.  Nanny Nanny Poo Poo

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

On 6/16/2023 at 10:42 AM, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

 

The TTN was never available in 16Ga.  12Ga only.

It was available to a few people!  Kind of like the Uberti 44 Special Henry.  Didn't make many, but a few folks that were in the right place at the right time now own one.