T-Square Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I'm reading the new edition of the Handbook - and was wondering if anyone knows why the Uberti 1873 percussion revolver is not allowed in Frontiersman? Not that I want a Uberti 1873 percussion revolver , I've got plenty of ROAs that need my love - but I was just curious. I could also ask - What is your favorite BP pistol, and why ? Hope to see all my Black Powder friends at Dark Days this year !! Just 28 days away !! Cheers ! the real T-square Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Because when the Territorial Governors voted to allow it as a "main match" revolver (used primarily in countries that restrict cartridge handguns), they also specified that it NOT be allowed for Frontiersman. That was in 2006 That exception was added to the SHB in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Square Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 Palewolf - was there anything specific to the Uberti? Is it more 'modern' mechanically than the common precision pistols used in the USA ? The pictures online, look like a Ruger Vaquero with nipples. I guess I'm just curious, ...........but if I ever go to Australia or Japan for a match ?! LOL (sarcasm alert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, T-Square said: Palewolf - was there anything specific to the Uberti? Is it more 'modern' mechanically than the common precision pistols used in the USA ? The pictures online, look like a Ruger Vaquero with nipples. I guess I'm just curious, ...........but if I ever go to Australia or Japan for a match ?! LOL (sarcasm alert) It is basically a percussion-fired SAA. The cylinder requires removal for charging. The only country specifically mentioned was France. The TG vote was greater than 2-1 to disallow it in Frontiersman category...I don't recall the actual discussion from 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 What's the difference between this and a ROA. Just the ram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: What's the difference between this and a ROA. Just the ram? Quote It is basically a percussion-fired SAA. The cylinder requires removal for charging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Pete SASS #42168 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I have a charging stand for my ROAs. Step one: remove the cylinder. No dog in this fight, I just find it curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 If I had been on the rules committee I’d have voted no as well. The ROA at least looks and operates like a Remmie new army. As PW noted, it’s just a percussion cylinder on a Peacemaker. There’s virtually no resemblance to pre-1873 C&B revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 After using both Uberti and Pietta NMAs and ROAs I’ll take the ROA everyday. That said I still love the the looks of the NMA to me it’s one of the best looking pistols ever. I’m also looking forward to seeing everyone at Dark Days this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 5 hours ago, T-Square said: ......but if I ever go to Australia or Japan for a match ?! LOL (sarcasm alert) We don't have an issue with cartridge handguns here and I shoot Uberti Cattleman's in .357. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 And before anyone asks, nobody makes a cartridge conversion cylinder for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I would think it’s because there was never a gun like this in the old west. The ROA is pushing it but it still resembles a pre1900 cap and ball. That’s my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I would think it’s because there was never a gun like this in the old west. The ROA is pushing it but it still resembles a pre1900 cap and ball. That’s my guess. They also never made a Colt SAA with an octagon barrel but that’s allowed. Some of the “we allow this but not this” doesn’t make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker McNeely Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I appreciate the question. However, in the immortal words of Noz, “Leave Frontiersman Alone!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Cholla said: They also never made a Colt SAA with an octagon barrel but that’s allowed. Some of the “we allow this but not this” doesn’t make sense. Well for that matter they never made a Vaquero either but that's not the point! The point is it should at least "resemble" an old west firearm. This Uberti is not even close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 There are a lot of things in our game that are not allowed that should be, even if it's just in a side match. Even a very specific side match. But they aren't. It's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 It would be nice to have a 5 page or less rule book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 said: It would be nice to have a 5 page or less rule book... Until we find a way to keep folks from looking for loopholes, it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 just a dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Red Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Gonna Be a LONG Winter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I have one of the 1875 Remington revolvers that was originally produced as a cap ‘n’ ball gun. It was interesting to shoot, but I eventually converted it to cartridge. I agree that they shouldn’t be allowed in Frontiersman. There are plenty of revolvers available that fit the category and are accepted by the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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