Alpo Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 If you were suffocated with CO2, would they be able to prove it? I understand, from various and sundry crime TV shows, that if you were killed by CO, your skin would be "cherry red". But if you were suffocated using carbon dioxide, would there be obvious signs - skin turn blue or green or purple or anything else (seems like I've heard about the fingernails turning blue from lack of oxygen)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Alpo said: If you were suffocated with CO2, would they be able to prove it? I understand, from various and sundry crime TV shows, that if you were killed by CO, your skin would be "cherry red". But if you were suffocated using carbon dioxide, would there be obvious signs - skin turn blue or green or purple or anything else (seems like I've heard about the fingernails turning blue from lack of oxygen)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 You don’t know how to hide your searches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: You are so very welcome. I'm glad I could do something to brighten your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: You don’t know how to hide your searches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Obviously Alpo doesn't want to search the interwebs himself, so he suckered us into doing it for him. Well played Alpo, well played... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 It's all about time. If they find the body while still fresh, it's almost impossible to hide the cause of death. As time passes and the soft tissue breaks down, it becomes more difficult. After 3-4 weeks exposed to the elements in a warm climate, it could be difficult to determine cause of death unless there were skeletal injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 The old man has decided to commit suicide, so his relatives get the insurance money. Unfortunately all five of his life insurance policies have a suicide exclusion clause. But he has a plan. He sleeps all alone in the bedroom at the top of the tower, five stories above the ground. He always sleeps with the bedroom door locked and the window shut. There is a man that he has had troubles with. He invites the man over that night, then raises hell so that his servants will know that the man was there. After the man has been run off he mentions that the man had been carrying a dog crate. An oversized suitcase with a grating at one end. Actually he had put the dog crate in his bedroom. In the crate is a large amount of dry ice. As the ice melts and fills the room with CO2 he will suffocate. He will be found dead in the morning, and his murder will be blamed on the guy he doesn't like. Win win. Unfortunately the instinct to survive overpowered the plan to suicide, and half unconscious from the gas he gets out of bed and goes to throw open the window to let the air in, stumbles over the one foot high windowsill and falls out the six foot high window, 50 feet to the stone castle floor beneath him. He does not die immediately, but lies there in pain, breathing, with his body expelling the excess CO2, and any evidence of being killed by CO2, before finally expiring from the fall. And they're trying to decide if he jumped or if he was pushed. That's the plot - now you don't have to read the book - but but I was wondering if his plan has succeeded, and he had died in his bedroom, would his body give evidence of what he died? I would assume that, once they broke the bedroom door down, they would have found the air in the room to be foul. That would probably be a clue. But if there would be no evidence of foul play on the body, then I suppose it would be considered natural causes, and the insurance company will still pay out. Eventually. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Use Duck Duck Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 He might be asking since he found out his wife plans on using that method and wants to know if she will get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 There must be variations, but most states have insurance laws that provide that life policies are incontestable after 2 years, or some such period. It's a common misconception that suicide is usually excluded. It's excluded for 2 years, to prevent policies being bought in contemplation of suicide. So, one would need to plan ahead, and suicides usually don't; that far anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 So, do you want to know how to get rid of the body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 No need. Y'all have already assisted me with that several times. Besides, no body, no proof of death, so no insurance payout. Need to have the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: There must be variations, but most states have insurance laws that provide that life policies are incontestable after 2 years, or some such period. It's a common misconception that suicide is usually excluded. It's excluded for 2 years, to prevent policies being bought in contemplation of suicide. So, one would need to plan ahead, and suicides usually don't; that far anyway. One of the Spenser books. The old man committed suicide. His young, pretty, not so bright (yes she was blonde) wife found him and immediately realized that - OH NO! THE INSURANCE WILL NOT PAY ON A SUICIDE!! So she framed the suicide to look like a murder. And became the prime suspect, which was why Spenser was brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 43 minutes ago, Alpo said: No need. Y'all have already assisted me with that several times. Besides, no body, no proof of death, so no insurance payout. Need to have the body. But after seven years … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: You don’t know how to hide your searches? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Alpo said: Unfortunately the instinct to survive overpowered the plan to suicide, and half unconscious from the gas he gets out of bed and goes to throw open the window to let the air in, stumbles over the one foot high windowsill and falls out the six foot high window, 50 feet to the stone castle floor beneath him. NO BACKSIES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 That's why those one foot high windowsills are against code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 They must be against code for high up. I remember my brother complaining. He built a house in Maryland, and wanted to have the bedroom windows at the three-foot level. He said they had to be at 14 inches, so that firemen could gain access. Nobody in the Maryland building code apparently thought that burglars would also gain access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Now be truthful Alpo. You yanked Rapunzel, by her hair, out of her tower and now you want to make it look like an dry ice accident...don't you. Fess up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Helium is a better choice. One does not gasp with helium... just goes to sleep and croaks. Nobody tests for exotic gasses in the blood stream when death appears to be natural causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 And don't forget to make sure the body is cremated. None of this exhuming the body later for further testing business once suspicions are aroused. This is especially relevant in spousal antifreeze poisonings, but that's a different Alpo conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 All you need are covid like symptoms now a days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugler Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Suicide clause in an insurance policy not being paid?.....if the policy is past the two year exclusion period, it is paid. Yes, I was an insurance agent for 24 years............. Bugler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugler Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 1:31 PM, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: There must be variations, but most states have insurance laws that provide that life policies are incontestable after 2 years, or some such period. It's a common misconception that suicide is usually excluded. It's excluded for 2 years, to prevent policies being bought in contemplation of suicide. So, one would need to plan ahead, and suicides usually don't; that far anyway. State better than my response.....and totally accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Col. Mustard, in the bathroom, with a plunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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