Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Topic says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I hope so. I see many shooters using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 ya I hope so to I have them on all my sxs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Shooter handbook pages 5, 6 8 and 9. SIGHTS ALL FIREARMS • Sights must look like sights available during the cowboy era—bead, blade, simple post, or otherwise approved front sights (such as the XS Cowboy Express) made of materials such as steel, iron, ivory, faux ivory, brass, gold, pewter, copper, or silver are allowed. • Colors other than those of the materials referenced above or any “fluorescent” materials may not be applied to either front or rear sights. • Rear and front sights may be “blacked” painted, or plated in the colors of the previously listed materials. If blacking, paint, or plating is applied to a revolver front sight, it must cover the entire rear surface of the sight to give the appearance of a solid material. • All rear sights may have their openings adjusted. • The front sight may be raised or lowered to bring point-of-aim and point-of-impact into alignment. • The back of the front sight may be serrated. SHOTGUN • Front sights may be bead or simple post types. SHOTGUN REQUIREMENTS Any side-by-side or single shot shotgun typical of the period from approximately 1860 until 1899 with or without external hammers, having single or double triggers is allowed. Automatic ejectors are allowed on single shot break action, lever, and pump action shotguns ONLY. Sideby-side shotguns may not use automatic ejectors. Lever action, tubular feed, exposed hammer shotguns of the period are allowed, whether original or replicas. The only slide action shotgun allowed is the Model 1897 Winchester shotgun, whether original or replica. Certain shooting categories require a specific type of shotgun and ammunition to be used. Military configurations are not allowed (i.e., trench guns). Please see the shooting categories for further information. SHOTGUN GAUGES • Side-by-side, single shot, and lever action shotguns must be centerfire of at least 20 gauge and no larger the 10 gauge. • Slide action shotguns must be centerfire of at least 16 gauge and no larger than 12 gauge. • Side-by-side, single shot, and lever action centerfire shotguns in .410 are allowed within the Buckaroo Category only. ANY EXTERNAL MODIFICATION TO ANY FIREARM NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN THIS HANDBOOK IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED! So, was a mid bead available in the period? Sure, don't know why it wouldn't have been. Yet, that last statement would seem to mean that since a mid bead shotgun sight is not specifically mentioned, and it is an external modification, that it isn't legal. I'm looking forward to PWBs take on this. Grizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Years ago when my wife started shooting she kept missing to the left or right. I asked Hipshot if a rear bead on the shotgun receiver was legal. He said yes. It is close to her eye it is just a grey spot but it really made a difference. If a rear bead is legal don't know why a mid bead would be illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Ringer Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 That is a good question. I have a shotgun with a small mid post/bead. I don't ever remember seeing an old "period" shotgun with a mid bead? But maybe there was such a thing? Ringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I hope so. I see many shooters using them. YEP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oklahoma Dee Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I hope so. I see many shooters using them. Hah! Mine has one and I NEVER USE it!! Who really does use em in CAS? IF ya are, your kinda bringin up the rear! Jus teasin! The acquisition of both beads in our sport is probably " No advantage " so hopefully there is no illegal mess. OkD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I heard at a shoot today that they are! GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Number4 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Yes, they are legal, so long as the material meets the sights requirements the same at Pistols and rifles. Ol' #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Mingo Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Heeee Haaaa.. What would Make them Illeagal(what rule does fall under).. Heeee Haaaa Crazy Mingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Number4 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Mingo, How would that make them illegal? If the mid bead is made from gold silver, brass, copper, ivory, wood or any other natural looking material they are fine. The same rule applies to rifle sights and coloring for pistol sights. Ol' #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal barnes sass #5792 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I will answer your question by saying that I have a C.G. Bonehill double and a Loomis double that both date from the 1880's and they have ivory mid beads. Gun catalogs of the era show a mid bead as an option on better made doubles. Answers the historical question and should answer the question about legality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WymoreWrangler SASS 46187L Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 My question is why would you want one, I'm an old bird hunter and I never look at the bead, I just look at the target and pull the trigger, they normally fall down this way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 My question is why would you want one, I'm an old bird hunter and I never look at the bead, I just look at the target and pull the trigger, they normally fall down this way... Egg-zakly. I have said all along that if ya are looking at the beads, ya are shooting too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I will answer your question by saying that I have a C.G. Bonehill double and a Loomis double that both date from the 1880's and they have ivory mid beads. Gun catalogs of the era show a mid bead as an option on better made doubles. Answers the historical question and should answer the question about legality. OK.. this tells me it's legal.. They next question posed is "Why do it?" Just makein' a point here folks.. kind of the "Rest of the Story" not all of us are avid hunters or raised up around firearms.. My wife Lacey had never shot guns until we started CAS.. She has respect of every gun and is probably the safest on a cowboy range.. But we had to go through a learning process.. When I tell her to put her cheek on the stock of her SxS.. "OK" Now..look straight down middle of that rib... "Uh... What's the rib? Oh.. OK" Now put your front bead on the target with your right eye lined up down the center of the rib... "Uh..OK I guess" I've often thought about putting on a center (mid) bead.. Rance Thinkin' it might help me to on flyers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Maybe the 'new' gun one acquired already has it on it. Whether it's used or not - it's legal. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 My question is why would you want one, I'm an old bird hunter and I never look at the bead, I just look at the target and pull the trigger, they normally fall down this way... They really shine when you have a semi-stationary target such as a turkey head. Gives an almost "rifle" feel to the sighting system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchum Quick, SASS #72923 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I think that since they are legal, I should put about 3 or 4 on mine. Should cut down on the number of make ups! KQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 My question is why would you want one, I'm an old bird hunter and I never look at the bead, I just look at the target and pull the trigger, they normally fall down this way... Egg-zakly. I have said all along that if ya are looking at the beads, ya are shooting too slow. This ain't Trapshooting, it ain't Skeet, and it ain't bird hunting. I have been saying this for years. I can hit a flying clay pigeon as good as the next guy, probably better. But our targets are not flying. They are usually sitting still. I use the front bead on my CAS shotgun exactly the same as I use the front sight on my rifle. I lay the front sight or bead on the target, then I pull the trigger. Yes, I actually form a sight picture with the bead. If a mid bead helps a shooter line up the barrels better, then by all means use one. I wish I had a nickel for how many times some of these guys who are not shooting too slow miss because they did not take a moment to line up the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I can hit a flying clay pigeon as good as the next guy, probably better. I'LL TAKE THAT BET, OR ARE YA JUST BRAGGING? But our targets are not flying. They are usually sitting still. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE FLYING OR SITTING STILL, POINT AND SHOOT. I use the front bead on my CAS shotgun exactly the same as I use the front sight on my rifle. I lay the front sight or bead on the target, then I pull the trigger. Yes, I actually form a sight picture with the bead. YA DO ALL THIS, YA ARE SHOOTING TOO SLOW. If a mid bead helps a shooter line up the barrels better, then by all means use one. I wish I had a nickel for how many times some of these guys who are not shooting too slow miss because they did not take a moment to line up the shot. Take the beads off completely, they are there to dress up the looks of the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Number4 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Mid-Beads are to our shooting as a mid-wife is to new babies ; they line things up, they get get things pulled and end up with a nice successful delivery. Aiming ain't all bad!! Ol' #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Back when we started in '97, Calico Cass had trouble lining up the shotgun. When she got her own shotgun, I had a 1911 rear sight put on it. When all the hoopla about external mods started heating up about 5 or 6 years ago, I wrote a formal request about the legality of a rear sight on a shotgun. After all, the rulebook says "sights" plural, in the shotgun section. The written answer was, "No." So I removed it and put in a blank to fill the dovetail. She hasn't had any trouble hitting shotgun targets since I removed the sight, but it was a good training aid for a couple of years. That's all that I know. eGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croatan Kid Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 My question is why would you want one, I'm an old bird hunter and I never look at the bead, I just look at the target and pull the trigger, they normally fall down this way... Me to Wymore. Shot many quail this way. I must say though I did hit the edge of a knockdown saturday and it came back up. Woulda killed a quail with the side of the pattern! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Me to Wymore. Shot many quail this way. I must say though I did hit the edge of a knockdown saturday and it came back up. Woulda killed a quail with the side of the pattern! Maybe you were leading it too much. How fast was it moving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croatan Kid Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 LOL`s Driftwood. It wasn`t movin. I was and didn`t stop soon enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Tombstone, SASS #49630 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I like em and use em, maybe not every shot but for a shotgun challenged cowboy shooter like myself it helps getting used to the shotgun, when I practise shouldering the gun if the beads line up and look like a figure 8 I know i have it right. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 BTT to see if PWB will offer any info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 BTT to see if PWB will offer any info. YES...they're LEGAL. ...installing a rear sight is NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 The feller that started this thread is far and away the fastest shooter I've ever seen with a SxS and apparently he uses the sights. One of the world's foremost SxS smiths and a DARN good shooter in his own right, Johnny Meadows, swears by a big old white bead on the front of his guns. Somehow I just can't bring myself to tell these world class shooters they're shooting too slow simply because they're using sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 YES...they're LEGAL. ...installing a rear sight is NOT. That is not what Hipshot told me when asked several years ago when I wanted to install a rear brass bead on my wife's shotgun?? It is so close to her eye all she saw was a grey shadow, but when starting to shoot, it helped her hit the targets instead of shooting left or right until she got the hang of getting the double properly to her cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 That is not what Hipshot told me when asked several years ago when I wanted to install a rear brass bead on my wife's shotgun?? It is so close to her eye all she saw was a grey shadow, but when starting to shoot, it helped her hit the targets instead of shooting left or right until she got the hang of getting the double properly to her cheek. I was referring to the type of sight ref'd in post #23. You go right on ahead and put a whole row of SG beads down the rib if you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I was referring to the type of sight ref'd in post #23. You go right on ahead and put a whole row of SG beads down the rib if you want to. Those might be kinda decorative, especially if the colors varied, historically correct colors only tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Those might be kinda decorative, especially if the colors varied, historically correct colors only tho. Like indian tacks GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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