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A friend of mine said his brother-in-law lives in Georgia. I do not know where in Georgia he lives.

Any way he went and voted early. On an electronic voter. After he voted he received a

readout on how he voted. He looked at it said he voted for Harris. He took it to someone and said he voted for Trump.

He made a fuss police officers were called. Don't know what was said or done. It doesn't sound good.

 

 

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I do not trust electronic voting. 
 

In the North Carolina election in 2008 I voted for McCain. My readout showed I voted for Obama then it disappeared. There was no print out. I raised hell and was threatened with being arrested. 
Then some young guy showed me where my vote was tallied for McCain. “The screens have been showing votes for Obama all day. It’s a glitch.”

Yeah, right. 

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As much as sitting for hours with a second person sucks; I do like Australian Ballot for just that reason. We do them in groups of 25 and we have to sign each bundle. You can be assured our count is accurate to the last ballot. If the numbers don't jive, we start all over and count again! When there is an error, it's generally a blank that one of us didn't count. But we damned sure find it. Electronics, I have zero faith in, and there no way to be sure that's what the voter wanted as shown above. Also, dead people have a much more difficult time getting to the polls.:ph34r:

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Any competent programmer can write this sort of machine cheat code, and get away with it.
The only way he would get caught is by a forensic analysis of the source code.
This is protected by the "trade secrets" corporate veil of secrecy, so all parties would be dead of old age before it would be produced.

 

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1 hour ago, bgavin said:

Any competent programmer can write this sort of machine cheat code, and get away with it.
The only way he would get caught is by a forensic analysis of the source code.
This is protected by the "trade secrets" corporate veil of secrecy, so all parties would be dead of old age before it would be produced.

 

It would have to be object code compared to source code, along with the compiler to verify this is the correct product.

 

You can get involved with the process, each state is different in how it handles registration and votes. (the end-end) process.

 

Whether you want to be a poll watcher or fill in one of the other roles in the process, please educate yourself on the entire process.

 

Certainly, California messed up a lot of things by issuing driver's licenses without proper vetting. It is completely reasonable for a non-citizen to get a drivers license (I was once a green card holder).

 

Certainly there is a long purported history of Chicago bringing out the dead vote, particularly in local elections.

 

For 3 places I have lived:

 

California. Issued drivers licenses without proper vetting, still could not vote without proper docs.

 

Oregon. Could not vote for federal, state, or even local offices without being a citizen, but foreign property owners might have been able to to vote on water district ballots affecting property taxes (not sure) like for water infrastructure. The idea being they had at least that much stake in the community by owning property. There was an ongoing kerfuffle and I moved before it was resolved.

 

Tennessee. This place is locked down. I do not have Real ID yet so had to show my passport for voter registration, a direct result of having lived in California despite a stop in Oregon. Real ID was not a thing when I registered to vote, so have to go through showing my passport again just for vetted state ID (drivers license) but I was able to vote based on Federal ID.

 

 

 

 

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I’m reasonably certain that voting fraud can be accomplished by rigging electronic voting machines and that the coding could be made virtually impossible to catch in time to prevent a rigged election!!

 

It’s a very well known rumor that a number of voting machines were destroyed in a bombing in downtown Nashville to prevent them from being closely examined.

 

The bombing is a fact! The machines were stored in one of the buildings nearest to the explosion.  That too is a fact.

 

This gives such rumors and conspiracy theories the nutrition that they need to grow, whether they are based in other realities or not!!

 

The simplification of the voting process by making it manual and enforcing poll security is the only way to prevent election tampering. Actual physical oversight by representatives of all the candidates would be a requirement.

 

Vigilance is the only guarantee of preserving the integrity of the election process!!

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The hash of the installed object code has to be an exact match for that produced by the provided source code.

 

If not exact, then the source is not the same used to compile the running code.  Thus leaving the running code as suspected fraudulent.

 

Source code control should have a version that exactly compiles to the executing code.

 

” We lost it” is not an acceptable answer and indicative of fraud.

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I’m reasonably certain that voting fraud can be accomplished by rigging electronic voting machines and that the coding could be made virtually impossible to catch in time to prevent a rigged election!!

 

It’s a very well known rumor that a number of voting machines were destroyed in a bombing in downtown Nashville to prevent them from being closely examined.

 

The bombing is a fact! The machines were stored in one of the buildings nearest to the explosion.  That too is a fact.

 

This gives such rumors and conspiracy theories the nutrition that they need to grow, whether they are based in other realities or not!!

 

The simplification of the voting process by making it manual and enforcing poll security is the only way to prevent election tampering. Actual physical oversight by representatives of all the candidates would be a requirement.

 

Vigilance is the only guarantee of preserving the integrity of the election process!!

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It's just a little glitch, you silly Republicans, calm down.

 

Meanwhile, in Detroit yesterday, there were nearly two and a half times more votes tallied than the number of people who voted - 114,545 voters somehow cast 279,113 votes. :mellow:

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/urgent-report-single-voter-linked-dozens-votes-critical-trump-state/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_campaign=dlvrit&utm_content=link

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At my polling place, the machine spits out a printed tally sheet with your selections listed. You are given several chances to review your selections before hitting the print button. You then walk the sheet over to a scanner and feed it in. No one can touch the tally sheet but the voter.

 

Like a restaurant receipt, it’s incumbent upon the voter to review the printout before scanning, which is when a protest can be made. After that, well, too bad, as the sheet disappears into the scanner. 

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I have lost faith in electronic devices used in such an important thing as voting.

Too many ways to skew the results, in my view.

I would rather return to paper ballots, hand counted, to ensure and honest, assured result.

If it took a couple of days to complete the count, so what?

I can live with that, even if it screws up the media, having to wait.

Other countries seem to survive having to wait and even go through run-off elections weeks later.

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Dominion voting machines in Georgia.

After ours were printed out, we were asked to review before we inserted them into the Dominion scanner.

If print out is in error, show it to the pole worked, don’t make a scene, rip it in half and ask to do it over.

The poll workers in my county don’t touch anything. They don’t remove the print out from the kiosk printer or insert it into the Dominion scanner. 

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6 minutes ago, Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 said:

As an outsider I will say it plain and simple...USA style voting sucks & the method is absolute crap !

And your style lost more of your freedoms than ours.  There are some advantages to forced voting under penalty of law, but ours still leaves me with most freedoms.   I have never missed an opportunity to vote, but I can do so here without penalty.

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8 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

And your style lost more of your freedoms than ours.  There are some advantages to forced voting under penalty of law, but ours still leaves me with most freedoms.   I have never missed an opportunity to vote, but I can do so here without penalty.

Rip...Can't argue with the freedom part, however if we look at our 'stupid gun laws in isolation we as gun owners had no say the government just passed the laws they wanted, we have nothing constitution wise to protect us..as for general elections I used to think that compulsory voting was wrong, I now think that those that don't vote or do an invalid vote are keeping the incumbents safe [ to a degree ]...it's the old way here, present yourself & have a line put through your name...yes shenanigans probably happens but nothing like a digital system. I certainly don't pretend to know your system of voting 100% but with the college & overall it is pretty messy to an outsider...I'm happy to be shown otherwise....Cheers'

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On 10/30/2024 at 9:00 PM, Blackwater 53393 said:

I’m reasonably certain that voting fraud can be accomplished by rigging electronic voting machines and that the coding could be made virtually impossible to catch in time to prevent a rigged election!!

 

It’s a very well known rumor that a number of voting machines were destroyed in a bombing in downtown Nashville to prevent them from being closely examined.

 

The bombing is a fact! The machines were stored in one of the buildings nearest to the explosion.  That too is a fact.

 

This gives such rumors and conspiracy theories the nutrition that they need to grow, whether they are based in other realities or not!!

 

The simplification of the voting process by making it manual and enforcing poll security is the only way to prevent election tampering. Actual physical oversight by representatives of all the candidates would be a requirement.

 

Vigilance is the only guarantee of preserving the integrity of the election process!!

You can say that again. :lol:

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On 10/31/2024 at 1:07 AM, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:

I have lost faith in electronic devices used in such an important thing as voting.

Too many ways to skew the results, in my view.

I would rather return to paper ballots, hand counted, to ensure and honest, assured result.

If it took a couple of days to complete the count, so what?

I can live with that, even if it screws up the media, having to wait.

Other countries seem to survive having to wait and even go through run-off elections weeks later.

The media also drives fast results. No public employee or elected official wants any scrutiny or pressure because the media is hounding them for the results. 
By the same token the media doesn’t push an issue unless their favorite party isn’t winning, if you know what I mean. 

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I truly think that this election will polarize America and neither side will accept results there will be violence in some areas how far it spreads well remains to be seen 

 

Think you can trust either side ??  when you surround yourselves with the very liberals that tried to take away 2A ect, now claim to be Republican's. Just like  that Tranny claiming to be a boy you can call yourself anything anymore dont make you truly one.

 

And well F1 race this last Sunday ran this gem for Pennsylvania. 

  

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