Subdeacon Joe Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) https://pirg.org/california/articles/why-california-needs-a-new-plastic-bag-ban/ We need a new California plastic bag ban We shouldn’t have to worry about plastic bag pollution. But the plastic companies circumvented a 2014 law that was supposed to ban them. We’re working to update the law, so that it bans all plastic carryout bags at grocery stores in California, including those slightly thicker plastic bags that are common at checkout stands today, and that plastic companies claim are reusable. The reality is that few people actually reuse them. Instead they end up as trash and harm our environment just as much as the thinner ones did. And because they are thicker, plastic bag waste by weight actually increased in the last few years to the highest level on record. https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/environmentalists-fail-again-plastic-bag-ban-made-pollution-worse/ Per the Los Angeles Times this week: According to a report by the consumer advocacy group CALPIRG, 157,385 tons of plastic bag waste was discarded in California the year the law was passed. By 2022, however, the tonnage of discarded plastic bags had skyrocketed to 231,072 — a 47% jump. Even accounting for an increase in population, the number rose from 4.08 tons per 1,000 people in 2014 to 5.89 tons per 1,000 people in 2022. So a law that promised to slash plastic waste apparently led to a huge increase. The evidence has been obvious for a while, and it wasn’t hard to see that one coming from the beginning. For starters, those thin plastic bags that grocery stores used to hand out to shoppers weren’t really single-use bags. ADDED: Sorry about that original formatting. It didn't look like that on my phone. Edited June 6 by Subdeacon Joe 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Well now they will need more paper bags . So cut down more trees and kill more spotted owls. We already know they won’t let anyone clean up all that wildfire kindling to make paper out of . Burn baby burn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) Aarrgghh...!!! The woman is a TOTAL idiot!!! Edit: Berkeley grad. 'Splains a lot. Edited June 6 by Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 In Colorado you can still get plastic or paper bags at most stores (though some don't carry either and you have to supply your own). You just have to pay 10 cents for each one! Eight cents goes to the state, and the store gets to keep .02! Most folks bring in their own reusable carrying bags. For just a few items, you can just pack them out in your hands, with the receipt to show you paid for them. The local WallyWorld doesn't have either. So BYO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 7 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Aarrgghh...!!! The woman is a TOTAL idiot!!! ...... it's not a good thing to hold back like that, Uncle Hardpan, you might do yourself an internal injury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, Trailrider #896 said: In Colorado you can still get plastic or paper bags at most stores (though some don't carry either and you have to supply your own). You just have to pay 10 cents for each one! Eight cents goes to the state, and the store gets to keep .02! Most folks bring in their own reusable carrying bags. For just a few items, you can just pack them out in your hands, with the receipt to show you paid for them. The local WallyWorld doesn't have either. So BYO! We used to get paper bags for free, ..... then we got plastic bags for free, ..... then they charged us 10 and later 15 cents for each plastic bag, ... ... now they are charging us 25 cents for paper bags and NO plastic bags ...... .... and the paper bag still gets soggy when the icecream gets condensation on it; like it used to in the old days ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I've been thinkin' about this for a while now.... I wanna get myself some lightweight canvas - like painter's dropcloth material - and make up some bags. And illustrate 'em thusly, as pictured below. Might as well "honor" the chief idiot who brought this about. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said: Well now they will need more paper bags . So cut down more trees and kill more spotted owls. We already know they won’t let anyone clean up all that wildfire kindling to make paper out of . Burn baby burn Gotta clear cut the trees anyway to make room the fields of solar panels that will eliminate carbon emissions. Who needs that pesky shade, erosion control or oxygen anyway...that stuff is overrated anyway. 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) They banned plastic bags here in Cuyahoga County but luckily I live on the border of Lake County which still has plastic bags. One of the stores here has a bin for plastic bags to recycle. I do all my shopping in Lake County. Edited June 6 by Rye Miles #13621 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Kris Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: I've been thinkin' about this for a while now.... I wanna get myself some lightweight canvas - like painter's dropcloth material - and make up some bags. And illustrate 'em thusly, as pictured below. Might as well "honor" the chief idiot who brought this about. If you're really serious about this, get in touch with me. I would love to do it for you. Some examples of my work......... 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Kris I tried to send you a message, and got an error message saying that you could not receive messages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulp, SASS#28319 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I spent several years on paper machines. We would occasionally make bag paper. I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone. 8 rolls per set, 5 set reels. No fond memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Kris Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 23 minutes ago, Alpo said: Kris I tried to send you a message, and got an error message saying that you could not receive messages. I received your message. I have to look at my supply levels and let you know. Send me a message with ideas for dimensions, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 radio call sign for Calif ID 10 TS 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 nothing surprises me anymore - every time i thought the ultimate of idiocy had been reached , someone california or us these days out does the last 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 12 hours ago, watab kid said: nothing surprises me anymore - every time i thought the ultimate of idiocy had been reached , someone california or us these days out does the last As I've been saying for some time now ~ every time I think that the state cannot go any faster down that highway to hell, CalTrans opens a new lane. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 24 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: As I've been saying for some time now ~ every time I think that the state cannot go any faster down that highway to hell, CalTrans opens a new lane. I'm stealing that! Thanks! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: As I've been saying for some time now ~ every time I think that the state cannot go any faster down that highway to hell, CalTrans opens a new lane. yup , and now minnesota is following lead , thus my wife and i are planning our move from here as soon as grandkids reach that age , not long now , it would take a lot to keep us here after the last term of full liberal rule , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Just read in the news that Emperor Newsome has started biting another hand that feeds his idiocracy. The state is going after hollyweird's contract aka gig workers. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/you-wont-believe-who-gavin-newsoms-california-going-after-now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 46 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: Just read in the news that Emperor Newsome has started biting another hand that feeds his idiocracy. The state is going after hollyweird's contract aka gig workers. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/you-wont-believe-who-gavin-newsoms-california-going-after-now I'm still chortlin' over his plans for the california aqueduct system...! The clown wants to cover them all 400+ miles of 'em with solar panels~! Lessee... if you use the cost of residential systems as a comparison, it'd cost about $58 million per mile. But of course, that wouldn't take into account the cost of erecting structures to support those panels; after all, there just ain't no roofs. Yet. And of course, if the taxpayers are paying for it, the cost would almost automatically be MUCH higher. But, it'll save SO much water from evaporating, don'tcha know. He's so danged brilliant! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: I'm still chortlin' over his plans for the california aqueduct system...! The clown wants to cover them all 400+ miles of 'em with solar panels~! Lessee... if you use the cost of residential systems as a comparison, it'd cost about $58 million per mile. But of course, that wouldn't take into account the cost of erecting structures to support those panels; after all, there just ain't no roofs. Yet. And of course, if the taxpayers are paying for it, the cost would almost automatically be MUCH higher. But, it'll save SO much water from evaporating, don'tcha know. He's so danged brilliant! All that humidity trapped under those panels is sure to make them last a long long time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: All that humidity trapped under those panels is sure to make them last a long long time. He doesn't seem to understand the concept that photosynthesis occurs in water also. Edited June 9 by Cypress Sun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: All that humidity trapped under those panels is sure to make them last a long long time. 9 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: He doesn't seem to understand the concept that photosynthesis occurs in water also. Can we say "mold?" Edited June 10 by Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Can we say "mold?" Can we say "mold?" SURE!! I knew you could!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 8 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Can we say "mold?" Mould. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 .... and I can say slime too ...... (and that could have two meanings as well ) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 hours ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said: .... and I can say slime too ...... (and that could have two meanings as well ) But in the dictionary, slime is depicted by a photo of Goobernor Nuisance!! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 swamp critters ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 6 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: But in the dictionary, slime is depicted by a photo of Goobernor Nuisance!! What a coincidence, the same picture is also used to depict scum. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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