Pat Riot Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) Like the title says. Do any of you own a CZ 457 or Savage Mk 2, if so, how accurate is your rifle? I am planning to buy a factory made .22 bolt action for .22 matches at my gun club. My limit is $700. I already have a scope. I am interested in these two series of rifles. I am looking for better than .5” at 50 yards. Edited April 28 by Pat Riot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Howdy Pat. I own a CZ 457. Its in .17 HMR w/ their heavy barrel. It shoots real good. Slaters owns the .22 and its very accurate. As with most .22's, even my KIDD models, the ammo will be a BIG deciding factor in the accuracy you can get. Ironically, some of the cheaper, bulk stuff shoots darn good .... most of the time. As with most of the SAVAGE .22's, you get a lot of performance for your money. You might even get one as accurate as the CZ, depending upon ammo you use. I also own the Savage. Its the 'B' model, which has the better magazine.....in my opinion. Both have GREAT triggers. My CZ has an aftermarket trigger that is super sweet. IF your competition rules allow semi auto .22's, you should also look at KIDD. Their triggers are about as good as you can find. ..........Widder 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 Thank you @Widder, SASS #59054 It’s supposed to be a friendly competition but I am not sure whether semiauto is not allowed. I actually never asked except when I said “I have a Ruger 10/22.” the guys I was talking to all smiled and said “You will definitely want something better than that.” I have zero interest in building a gun, but I will look at Kidd. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 17 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Thank you @Widder, SASS #59054 It’s supposed to be a friendly competition but I am not sure whether semiauto is not allowed. I actually never asked except when I said “I have a Ruger 10/22.” the guys I was talking to all smiled and said “You will definitely want something better than that.” I have zero interest in building a gun, but I will look at Kidd. Thank you. Something to remember is that the 10/22 is more modular and much of the work you may be able to do yourself and I'm pretty sure that includes replacing the barrel on the 10/22 which is held in place by Allen bolts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracos Kid Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I have two CZ 452's in .22 caliber set up alike......Using Wolf Match ammo, both of my daughters and I can hit the mini chicken silhouette targets ( 2 1/2 ") at 210 yards. Yes, that's quite a drop at that distance, but CZ is surpassed only by Anschutz in my humble opinion....... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 2 hours ago, Gracos Kid said: I have two CZ 452's in .22 caliber set up alike......Using Wolf Match ammo, both of my daughters and I can hit the mini chicken silhouette targets ( 2 1/2 ") at 210 yards. Yes, that's quite a drop at that distance, but CZ is surpassed only by Anschutz in my humble opinion....... I hear a lot of folks saying that Wolf Match ammo is very good. I find that interesting in that other ammo by them, 7.62x39 and pistol calibers isn’t so great, but I am talking 20 or more years ago. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 56 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: I hear a lot of folks saying that Wolf Match ammo is very good. I find that interesting in that other ammo by them, 7.62x39 and pistol calibers isn’t so great, but I am talking 20 or more years ago. Thanks for the info. The Wolf steel cased ammo is at best average, it's cheap ammo meant for plinking. The Wolf .22 LR Match Ammo is pretty good and my re-barreled Martini Cadet liked Wolf match better than Federal .22 LR (and liked CCI Green Tag even more than Wolf's) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I have a CZ 452 and a Savage MKII. The CZ is a light barrel, the Savage has a heavy barrel. Both are about the same with their preferred ammo , SK standard plus, but the CZ seems to shoot other brands a little better. The thing about Wolf ammo is they don't make any ammo they just import it. Wolf target .22 is made by Lapua who also makes SK standard plus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I own a CZ 457 Lux, a beautiful rifle. Very accurate, though I haven't rigorously tested accuracy. I am extremely happy with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I HAD a Savage MKII , light barrel , plastic stock , (Wal-Mart ) it would shoot with almost anything , using the old CCI Blaser bulk pac ammo we played a game , shooting busted clay pigeons , on the 100 yd berm , set it up with a Simmons 3x9x40 scope gave it to the SIL , CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I have had the CZ 457 Trainer for several years. Excellent, and mine came with very good wood. Mine came with a metal and a plastic magazine, fine for my amount of use, but I much prefer the metal version. If you go for one I would try to get a few more of the metal magazines. Have owned several CZ hunting rifles, all excellent. Their customer service is / was very professional. Haven't needed them for a couple of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracos Kid Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 3 hours ago, Pat Riot said: I hear a lot of folks saying that Wolf Match ammo is very good. I find that interesting in that other ammo by them, 7.62x39 and pistol calibers isn’t so great, but I am talking 20 or more years ago. Thanks for the info. The Wolf ammo I have was made in Germany, but now it's being made by Eley in England. See info at this link..... Wolf Match Extra Lapua/SK vs Eley | Day At The Range 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, Gracos Kid said: The Wolf ammo I have was made in Germany, but now it's being made by Eley in England. See info at this link..... Wolf Match Extra Lapua/SK vs Eley | Day At The Range Wow! Thank you. I did not know this. I guess my opinion of Wolf was unfounded in this regard. I will definitely be in the lookout for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracos Kid Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Wow! Thank you. I did not know this. I guess my opinion of Wolf was unfounded in this regard. I will definitely be in the lookout for some. Try this link.... Wolf .22LR Ammo rimfire | Cheap Wolf .22LR Ammunition rimfire - AmmoSeek.com 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Gracos Kid said: Try this link.... Wolf .22LR Ammo rimfire | Cheap Wolf .22LR Ammunition rimfire - AmmoSeek.com 2024 Thanks. I was actually looking at it on AmmoSeek a little while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 i dont have either , i have a lot of 22s but not these , however i know where you can read up on them extensively if you want - https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/ a lot of folks there do have them , you will get good info and a lot of personal experiences , im more into military trainers and old walnut and steel .........most of mine fall into that category , a lot of handguns but only a few newer versions of either handguns or long guns 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Those two rifle models are close enough it comes down to the individual rifles. As a Savage fan I'd say get the CZ since you have the budget. The CZ is smoother when cycling the bolt and magazine changes. You'll get most of the premium back when you sell the CZ, making the cost of ownership similar. https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/savage-mark-ii-btv-22-lr-51-21-natural-brown-fixed-thumbhole-stock-matte-blued-right-hand https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/cz-cz-457-varmint-22-lr-51-20.50-turkish-walnut-blued-right-hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, sassnetguy50 said: Those two rifle models are close enough it comes down to the individual rifles. As a Savage fan I'd say get the CZ since you have the budget. The CZ is smoother when cycling the bolt and magazine changes. You'll get most of the premium back when you sell the CZ, making the cost of ownership similar. https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/savage-mark-ii-btv-22-lr-51-21-natural-brown-fixed-thumbhole-stock-matte-blued-right-hand https://battlehawkarmory.com/product/cz-cz-457-varmint-22-lr-51-20.50-turkish-walnut-blued-right-hand Both of those are on my list to check out. I really like the looks of that particular Savage. The only complaint I have read about it was the mag release being somewhat flimsy. That CZ Varmint is at the top of my list. I hate to say this as I will get virtual rocks thrown at me, but I really like the looks of the CZ American synthetic with the 20.5” barrel. Another interesting Savage I found at my LGS is the Mark 2 BSEV. I have yet to find a negative word about it other than it’s heavy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 CZ has several models in the 457. The Lux, which I have, is a really nice rifle. European-style stock, outstanding walnut all around. It's a beauty. CZ 457 Lux - CZ-USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 No experience with CZ synthetic stocks. Some of the Savage synthetic stocks can flex, costing you precision. A field barrel can also cost you precision when tenths of an inch count. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 PAT, I think if you buy a good CZ, you won't have any regrets. If you buy the Savage, You'll probably wish you got a CZ after your competition beats ya. The accuracy 'potential', smoothness of action, magazine, trigger, etc..... seem to favor the CZ. Just my thinking! ..........Widder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Garrett Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 CZ 457 MTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 On 4/29/2024 at 9:23 AM, Widder, SASS #59054 said: PAT, I think if you buy a good CZ, you won't have any regrets. If you buy the Savage, You'll probably wish you got a CZ after your competition beats ya. The accuracy 'potential', smoothness of action, magazine, trigger, etc..... seem to favor the CZ. Just my thinking! ..........Widder On 4/29/2024 at 10:13 AM, Buck Garrett said: CZ 457 MTR I bought a CZ 457 American Stainless Synthetic. I ordered it Monday and it came in today. I wanted a Varmint but none were available at the distributors my LGS. My second choice was actually the American Blued Synthetic because it has the 20” barrel. The blued and wood models have 24” barrels. The clerk says “How do you feel about Stainless?” He showed me a picture and I said “I’ll take it.” Now I just need my scope rail and rings and I will start breaking it in. I can’t wait! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Congratulations. Great choice. ..........Widder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 How does your 457 shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: How does your 457 shoot? It shoots great. Thanks for asking. I have outfitted it with a Viridian Serac 6-24x50 scope. I am not sure I like the scope yet as I am pretty sure that when I change windage the elevation changes slightly. I have to shoot it on a perfectly windless day to confirm this. I have shot a variety of ammo through it, but no Eley yet. It really seems to like Aquila Target Competition. One group at 50 yards. I shot my first 50 yard match and scored 201 out of 250 on a breezy day with 9 mph winds. I was told that this is very good for a first time shooter and the conditions I am very happy with my CZ 457. I want a Varmint model now. EDIT: I forgot to mention it also likes CCI standard velocity ammo. That’s what I used for the competition as I didn’t get the Aguila ammo that I ordered in time. CCI STD Velocity is the gun’s second favorite so far. Edited June 21 by Pat Riot 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Garrett Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 CZ 457 MTR Likes most quality brand sub sonic. Particularly SK rifle match, and Eley match. 5 shot groups touching at 50 yds Optics replaced with Leupold competition 45x45. Cost $620 and shipped the Friday before lockdown 2020. I see that its $800 now. https://lockedloaded.com/product/cz-02345-457-varmint-mtr-22lr-match-barrel 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I had a Savage Mark II FVSS whey first came out. It would shoot .5" at 50 yards with Federal Gold Match, off a bench. The weakness was the magazines that would come apart with lots of use or being handled roughly. I shot 100-meter prone rimfire competitions for about seven years. Most shooters used an Anschutz but could shoot almost as well with the lesser backup guns, IF the used the same quality ammo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 8 hours ago, Buck Garrett said: CZ 457 MTR When I bought mine the LGS couldn’t find any CZ 457s except for the CZ 458 Stainless, which I bought. According to them and their distributors there were no other CZ 457s in the USA. I am very happy with the one I bought. I really like the stock you have on yours. You have a darn good looking rifle there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I loves me a good .22 target rifle! Back in '68 - '69 I was highest scoring individual on my JROTC team, and second highest in the Greater Bay Area (before the program was killed off). And it was my first - and only - year participating. Lordy, but I wish I had that Winchester 52 I was issued. I do have a Model 75 in the safe; sometimes referred to as the "poor man's Model 52." It'll just have to do. A few years ago I came within a whisker of buying a Kimber 82G "Government," well after missing out on the CMP sales (still kicking myself over that). Speaking of which, the CMP does still offer Savage Mk I's and II's for $321... sadly, though, only to clubs. No individual sales. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Speaking of which, the CMP does still offer Savage Mk I's and II's for $321... sadly, though, only to clubs. No individual sales. I heard about this. Maybe you told us. Anyway I was pretty excited about it until I read the requirements. One of the guys at my club has a model 52. He loves it. He wasn’t using it for the match. He was planning to shoot it after our match. He offered to let me try it out but the match ran long and I had to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 5 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Back in '68 - '69 I was highest scoring individual on my JROTC team, and second highest in the Greater Bay Area (before the program was killed off). And it was my first - and only - year participating. Lordy, but I wish I had that Winchester 52 I was issued. '78 - '80 for me. Qualified Marksman first time, Expert every time after that. We shot Remington Model 40s. Nothing but Eley Match ammo. We had enough cadets shooting to field three five-man teams in '79. We took 1st, 2nd & 3rd. Next year they said, "You can only field one team." 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Fingers, SASS#56813 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) On 4/28/2024 at 7:34 AM, Pat Riot said: Thank you @Widder, SASS #59054 It’s supposed to be a friendly competition but I am not sure whether semiauto is not allowed. I actually never asked except when I said “I have a Ruger 10/22.” the guys I was talking to all smiled and said “You will definitely want something better than that.” I have zero interest in building a gun, but I will look at Kidd. Thank you. Guess I missed several posts didn’t see you already purchased a bolt gun before I recommended a Kidd. Congratulations on your purchase, they are very nice guns. LF. Edited June 23 by Long Fingers, SASS#56813 Revised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Long Fingers, SASS#56813 said: Guess I missed several posts didn’t see you already purchased a bolt gun before I recommended a Kidd. Congratulations on your purchase, they are very nice guns. LF. Not a problem at all. Thank you for the recommendation. I did consider going with a semiauto, but I have been interested in trying bolt action rifles, for a change. I was considering a bolt action in .308 Winchester but I was sure I would even like one. I figured a .22 would be fun and give me some idea on whether or not I would like a bolt gun. I have owned 3 bolt action rifles. A No. 4 Mk 1 Enfield, a spoterized Springfield 1917 in .270 Win. and a Remington 673 Guide Gun in .308. The only one I really liked was the Enfield. I decided I do not like bolt guns that do not have a box magazine. Dropping floor plates and blind or fixed mags just irk me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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