I wonder what would happen if an actor refused to say those lines

[Alpo]

Now if it was a bit part, they could either write it out of the show or replace the actor.

 

But a main actor.

 

I was watching an NCIS last night. This guy was not making it on his day job, so he started selling guns out of his house. Fully automatic AKs and RPGs.

 

And when they have him in interrogation he explains that he could not cover the bills with the money he was making doing whatever he did. And Bishop says, "So you decided to start selling death machines?"

 

I've known for the past 20 years that NCIS is anti-gun. Everything that comes out of Hollyweird is anti-gun. But if Miss Wickersham happened to herself be pro-gun, and when she saw the script said "hell no I ain't going to say that crap", I wonder what they'd do.

 

Probably just cast another actor for that scene. Have Torres doing interrogation, maybe, or McGee.

 

I remember when Lethal Weapon 2 came out. There was a big discussion about whether Mel Gibson was pro-gun or anti-gun. There were these anti-gun/anti-NRA posters hanging all over the police station in that movie. And on the one side you had people saying that that proved he was anti-gun, and on the other side there were people saying that this was just a job and his personal feelings didn't matter.

 

My thought was that if he had told them to take that garbage down or he was not going to do the movie they would have taken the posters down. It's hard to have a successful sequel when you have to recast the parts. Look at George of the Jungle and George of the Jungle 2. 2 did not use Brendan Fraser, and it was almost straight to video. Nobody watched it.

 

Can you imagine Terminator 2 starting Stallone? Or Rocky 3 starring Ahnuld?

 

Sidetracked myself, didn't I?

[Texas Joker]

I always wondered where these people got crates of illegal hardware to sell out of their garage or van.

 

I mean if you're already involved in 'import export'  work I get it. But to just start selling hardware like that doesn't happen.

 

But according to movies you just imply you want something at an army/navy store or flea market and there is a magical back area that looks like my wish my gun room

[Rye Miles #13621]

22 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Now if it was a bit part, they could either write it out of the show or replace the actor.

 

But a main actor.

 

I was watching an NCIS last night. This guy was not making it on his day job, so he started selling guns out of his house. Fully automatic AKs and RPGs.

 

And when they have him in interrogation he explains that he could not cover the bills with the money he was making doing whatever he did. And Bishop says, "So you decided to start selling death machines?"

 

I've known for the past 20 years that NCIS is anti-gun. Everything that comes out of Hollyweird is anti-gun. But if Miss Wickersham happened to herself be pro-gun, and when she saw the script said "hell no I ain't going to say that crap", I wonder what they'd do.

 

Probably just cast another actor for that scene. Have Torres doing interrogation, maybe, or McGee.

 

I remember when Lethal Weapon 2 came out. There was a big discussion about whether Mel Gibson was pro-gun or anti-gun. There were these anti-gun/anti-NRA posters hanging all over the police station in that movie. And on the one side you had people saying that that proved he was anti-gun, and on the other side there were people saying that this was just a job and his personal feelings didn't matter.

 

My thought was that if he had told them to take that garbage down or he was not going to do the movie they would have taken the posters down. It's hard to have a successful sequel when you have to recast the parts. Look at George of the Jungle and George of the Jungle 2. 2 did not use Brendan Fraser, and it was almost straight to video. Nobody watched it.

 

Can you imagine Terminator 2 starting Stallone? Or Rocky 3 starring Ahnuld?

 

Sidetracked myself, didn't I?

Stallone is antigun! At least he used to be! This is from 2012

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/2/rambos-sylvester-stallone-supports-gun-control/

[Alpo]

He is also "anti-getting shot". In the 60s he went to Sweden, where he got a job as a PE instructor in a girls school.

 

Kept him out of Vietnam.

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

So an actor playing a criminal should complain about saying and doing criminal things in a movie?  Lots of movie villains are nice guys in real life....

[bgavin]

Liam Neeson is former military, anti-gun and still makes a handsome living from guns and violence.

[Cypress Sun]

50 minutes ago, bgavin said:

Liam Neeson is former military, anti-gun and still makes a handsome living from guns and violence.

 

Neeson has never been in any military. He's just another Hollyweird  anti-gun hypocrite making millions acting in movies that feature gratuitous killing using firearms. Para has banned any movie in which Neeson is in from using their firearms. Previously Para had supplied firearms for use in his movies.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

4 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

Neeson has never been in any military. He's just another Hollyweird  anti-gun hypocrite making millions acting in movies that feature gratuitous killing using firearms. Para has banned any movie in which Neeson is in from using their firearms. Previously Para had supplied firearms for use in his movies.

If my rememberer is right, Para did this after a movie that they supplied guns for, and Neeson came out saying that he hated guns so much that he would never make another movie where he used a gun. Being a good Hollywierd lefty hypocrite, he's made several since then in which he used guns.

And let's face it 95 % of Hollywierd is as far left as they can be, totally against guns, EXCEPT the times where THEY use them while they're playing Dress Up and Make Believe, and so that their armed security guards can protect their kids.

[Raylan]

Charlton Heston, Paul Sorvino, Robert Stack, Kurt Russell, Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Chuck Norris, Vince Vaughn, Clint Eastwood, and Chris Pratt were or are generally pro-gun rights. Ones that aren't actively anti-gun and who might lean pro-gun - Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, Mel Gibson, and James Earl Jones.

 

Easier to list progun actors than the massive number of anti-gun ones. I'm sure there are some that may be pro-gun but just keep their mouths shut due to fear of being ostracized, canceled, or blacklisted.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

15 hours ago, Raylan said:

Charlton Heston, Paul Sorvino, Robert Stack, Kurt Russell, Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Chuck Norris, Vince Vaughn, Clint Eastwood, and Chris Pratt were or are generally pro-gun rights. Ones that aren't actively anti-gun and who might lean pro-gun - Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, Mel Gibson, and James Earl Jones.

I remember that Angelina Jolie decided that after she and Pitt did Mr. and Mrs. Smith she would get Glocks because they had trained with them while making the movie.

(Edit) It was the H&Ks from "Tomb Raider" that she bought.

Edited March 23 by Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770

[Rye Miles #13621]

13 minutes ago, Raylan said:

Charlton Heston, Paul Sorvino, Robert Stack, Kurt Russell, Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Chuck Norris, Vince Vaughn, Clint Eastwood, and Chris Pratt were or are generally pro-gun rights. Ones that aren't actively anti-gun and who might lean pro-gun - Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, Mel Gibson, and James Earl Jones.

 

Easier to list progun actors than the massive number of anti-gun ones. I'm sure there are some that may be pro-gun but just keep their mouths shut due to fear of being ostracized, canceled, or blacklisted.

Clint Eastwood backed Bloomberg for President in 2016. When he was mayor of Carmel Cal he supported a Universal gun registration and assault weapon ban ,He’s been back and forth on the gun issue all his career. 

Edited March 23 by Rye Miles #13621

[watab kid]

well , if i were a director that asked them to - hired them to , id fire them , but as i did back in my days as a manager id first ask why , then hear them out and evaluate if it added or detracted friom the finished product , then direct them to do whatever was best for the peroductions bottom line .........

 

i get where your coming from as to Hollywood's bent to the left - only way that will change is if we vote with our dollars and refuse to see the productions that offend us , thats not happening so they will continue to produce with their profit in mind and their politics on display , 

ive not bought a movie ticket in over thirty years , im voting with my dollars , i watch old TV , some of it is really great and relavent if you look at the context carefully , 

[Subdeacon Joe]

24 minutes ago, watab kid said:

only way that will change is if we vote with our dollars and refuse to see the productions that offend us

 

The only way it will change is if we write,  and write,  and write letter,  after letter, after letter,  and not form letters,  not vulgar rants, but firm and well reasoned letters,  telling them why we won't be going to see their productions. 

[sassnetguy50]

Sometimes the actor, writer, director, or producer will change the line.  Sometimes the actor will deliver the line so poorly that the editor cuts it.  Arnold was scripted to say "No problem.  I'll come back."

 

@Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 did Jolie say anything about getting H&Ks after doing Tomb Raider?

 

14 hours ago, Texas Joker said:

I always wondered where these people got crates of illegal hardware to sell out of their garage or van.

 

I mean if you're already involved in 'import export'  work I get it. But to just start selling hardware like that doesn't happen.

 

But according to movies you just imply you want something at an army/navy store or flea market and there is a magical back area that looks like my wish my gun room

In the USA, I agree.  Lord of War used 3,000 real AKs because it was easier and cheaper than getting prop guns where they filmed.

[watab kid]

17 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

The only way it will change is if we write,  and write,  and write letter,  after letter, after letter,  and not form letters,  not vulgar rants, but firm and well reasoned letters,  telling them why we won't be going to see their productions. 

i agree that will help as well , it seems the lefts indoctrination has succeeded in our educational system and we , the "silent majority" are now the minority and our silence has bitten us in the A$$ , we believed in our system and our elected officials and way too many other things that seemed to be ...our constitution , our rule of law , all things that have been eroded and infiltrated by the commies that took over the democrat's party , you are right we need to make our voices heard but we also need to fight back on the things that are poisoning our society , before it comes to picking up arms if possible , life is really short as i lived it , we dont need another revolution in this country but we dont need to be taken over from within either - or by illegal invasion , 

[Subdeacon Joe]

5 minutes ago, watab kid said:

i agree that will help as well , it seems the lefts indoctrination has succeeded in our educational system and we , the "silent majority" are now the minority and our silence has bitten us in the A$$ , we believed in our system and our elected officials and way too many other things that seemed to be ...our constitution , our rule of law , all things that have been eroded and infiltrated by the commies that took over the democrat's party , you are right we need to make our voices heard but we also need to fight back on the things that are poisoning our society , before it comes to picking up arms if possible , life is really short as i lived it , we dont need another revolution in this country but we dont need to be taken over from within either - or by illegal invasion , 

 

 

It's bitten us in the posterior because we, collectively,  sat on them for too long while we watched the opposition actively pursuing its agenda. We allowed them to take control of the language while we chuckled at what we thought of as gibberish,  we failed to make the time to go to city council meetings when anti-civil rights proposals were on the agenda, only a handful of us regularly write or email our elected officials. 

 

Time for all of us to get off our complassencies and politely,  peacefully, and powerfully make our voices heard

 

 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

55 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said:

@Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 did Jolie say anything about getting H&Ks after doing Tomb Raider?

I just looked and you are correct. Here's the quote, 'I bought original, real guns of the type we used in Tomb Raider for security.' 

Here's a link to the article. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/i-ve-got-my-tomb-raider-guns-and-i-m-not-afraid-to-use-them-says-angelina-6827799.html

[Black Angus McPherson]

I don't recall the actresses name, but she was one of the principles on the old show Designing Women.  She was a conservative playing a very liberal character.  She had it in her contract that whenever she had to deliver lines that she strongly disagreed with she would be allowed to sing in the next episode of the show.  I always got a kick out of that and would wonder what she had to say in the previous episode when I saw her singing.

 

Angus

[Chantry]

24 minutes ago, Black Angus McPherson said:

I don't recall the actresses name, but she was one of the principles on the old show Designing Women.  She was a conservative playing a very liberal character.  She had it in her contract that whenever she had to deliver lines that she strongly disagreed with she would be allowed to sing in the next episode of the show.  I always got a kick out of that and would wonder what she had to say in the previous episode when I saw her singing.

 

Angus

 

Dixie Carter

[bgavin]

On 3/22/2024 at 4:30 PM, Cypress Sun said:

 

Neeson has never been in any military.

Thanks, poor memory on my part.
It wasn't important enough to me to actually vet it.

I won't support his movies because he is such a hypocrite.

[watab kid]

21 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

 

It's bitten us in the posterior because we, collectively,  sat on them for too long while we watched the opposition actively pursuing its agenda. We allowed them to take control of the language while we chuckled at what we thought of as gibberish,  we failed to make the time to go to city council meetings when anti-civil rights proposals were on the agenda, only a handful of us regularly write or email our elected officials. 

 

Time for all of us to get off our complassencies and politely,  peacefully, and powerfully make our voices heard

 

 

i agree whole heartedly , we did also chukle at what we thought to be frivolous nonsense but now it has become the norm - exactly the philosophy the communists used and the nazis as well - both socialist organizations that took over countries with this methos , 

[Rye Miles #13621]

On 3/22/2024 at 11:37 PM, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

The only way it will change is if we write,  and write,  and write letter,  after letter, after letter,  and not form letters,  not vulgar rants, but firm and well reasoned letters,  telling them why we won't be going to see their productions. 

My sister said she read that one letter usually means that 50 people feel that same way. She said she read that somewhere. I don’t know if that applies to email but that’s seems to be the way everyone communicates with everyone nowadays .

Edited March 24 by Rye Miles #13621

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

My sister said she read that one letter usually means that 50 people feel that same way. She said she read that somewhere. I don’t know if that applies to email but that’s seems to be the way everyone communicates with everyone nowadays .

 

I've seen several versions.  The most powerful is a hand written letter.  Then a typed letter. Next comes original email, copy and paste form email, and then phone call.  I don't recall the breakdown of numbers.  

 

Something to consider - say it takes 3 minutes of staff time to deal with a letter or phone call, and one of the capons gets 7,500 calls or letters - each one asking for a response - every week.  That's 375 man hours every week, or 9 3/8 man-weeks.  Then add in the time to respond, even just generating a canned response.

Several years ago, well, about 20 years ago, one of the staph (sic) members of then Assemblyman Joe Nation tell me to stop calling to express my displeasure with anti-gun bills, so did State Senator Carol Migden.....those worthies knew what is best for us and didn't want to be bothered with input from the peasants...uh...people.  I got a similar response from the office of Babs, "I'm Too Important To Be Called Ma'am" Boxer.  The office of the Divine Ms. Di were more polite and sent me the "I guess we must agree to disagree on this" form letter.  On one occasion DiFi's stapher (sic) messed up and replied with both the "Thank you for your support" and the "Disagree" forms, and the plan she outlined in the "Thank you" letter was horrifying.  Written tests a Harvard Lawyer couldn't pass, and a practical test a Camp Perry champion couldn't pass.  Now they just ignore me.  I don't get responses of any type.  

 

Edited March 24 by Subdeacon Joe

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

Getting back to Alpo's original post. When producer are interested in a certain actor to play a part. They contact their agent with the script who then present it to the actor to read over and reason why he or her are wanted along with the offer for the part. The actors reads his parts. If he or her disagree on certain things in the part or script changes are forwarded and negotiated.

Now on those that are cast members, changes can be requested when scripts are handed out, during rehearsel, or even if parts can be exchanged. That's why final scripts have different colored pages. Red changes made by directors/ producers, yellow for charcter changes, etc.

Actors have and still turn parts down. One good example is present actor Neil McDonough who values, values in a script.