Captain Bill Burt Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I'm starting to lay the groundwork for the 2024 Magnificent Seven (already have several sponsorship commitments) and I have a couple of ideas I would like to throw out. (1) What about a "All Around Cowboy/Girl" buckle. Competitors would have to shoot at least three of the State matches as usual, but would need to shoot in a different shooting style, ie Gunfighter or Duelist or Traditional or Outlaw, pick three of the four. Thoughts? (2) What about a "Iron Man" buckle. Competitors would have to shoot GA, MS, TN, top shooter gets the buckle. Those three matches are on consecutive weekends starting the third Saturday of May and ending the first Saturday of June. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs with scissors Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Captain, Just my thoughts on the subject: We already have sooo many categories in Sass. I'm not sure we need any more. However, my opinion is only worth what you paid for it! Scissors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 @Captain Bill Burt I like both ideas. I don't think there's any way we could swing three big matches in three weeks(3 in 6 weeks was hard enough), but I'm sure others could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, runs with scissors said: Captain, Just my thoughts on the subject: We already have sooo many categories in Sass. I'm not sure we need any more. However, my opinion is only worth what you paid for it! Scissors This is a contest within contests. It’s conducted over seven state matches and has nothing to do, directly, with any single match or with SASS other than that points are awarded over a sampling of the three best matches shot by those who participate in the series! These categories are for the Magnificent Seven series only! The Magnificent Seven Contest was created to help promote participation in those seven state matches and to give the participants in the series incentive to maybe enter more matches! Capt. BB! Thanks for doing it again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Traveller Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Capt. Do you plan to use rank points scoring as last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 How about making the Iron Man amongst the people who shoot all 7 matches? Three weeks in a row is nothing compared to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Palmetto Traveller said: Capt. Do you plan to use rank points scoring as last year? Yes, unless I hear a total time suggestion that is fair considering some matches are ‘faster’ than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: How about making the Iron Man amongst the people who shoot all 7 matches? Three weeks in a row is nothing compared to that. Thats a thought! I have a feeling we wouldn’t get more than a handful who could make all 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Thats a thought! I have a feeling we wouldn’t get more than a handful who could make all 7. Maybe 5 out of 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Yes, unless I hear a total time suggestion that is fair considering some matches are ‘faster’ than others. I think that's probably a redd herring when averaged over 3 matches. (Using average stage time, not total match time, to account for a 12 stage match compared to a 10 stage match). Unless you are getting the rank score after eliminating all non-M7 shooters, the rank will always be inaccurate and dependent on the success or failure of others at each individual match, whereas time is purely your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 The most fair way I can see to do it would be rank in category. Example, if you have 5, Mag 7 in the Cowboy Category first place Cowboy will get 1 rank point, 2nd Cowboy would get 2 rank points etc.. It won't matter how many shooters in other categories are in the match. If you use rank amongst all Mag 7 shooter it would make a big difference between a match with 85 shooters and a match with 225 shooters. Just my opinion. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 48 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: The most fair way I can see to do it would be rank in category. Example, if you have 5, Mag 7 in the Cowboy Category first place Cowboy will get 1 rank point, 2nd Cowboy would get 2 rank points etc.. It won't matter how many shooters in other categories are in the match. If you use rank amongst all Mag 7 shooter it would make a big difference between a match with 85 shooters and a match with 225 shooters. Just my opinion. Randy Yep, that’s why attending Mississippi State last year made such a big difference in the final outcome… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 I LOVE the All Around Cowboy Idea so much that I might just do it! Oh, and you can count on @Bullets By Scarlett to sponsor again. I’ll give a Ryder Shotshell sizer ($375 value) as a prize! Everyone who is entered into the Magnificent Seven is eligible to win it! How does that sound? Hugs! Scarlett When you get the apps ready, I can put it on my website, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 5:40 PM, runs with scissors said: Captain, Just my thoughts on the subject: We already have sooo many categories in Sass. I'm not sure we need any more. However, my opinion is only worth what you paid for it! Scissors Just for clarity. I'm not suggesting a new category, just a buckle for people who want to try shooting different categories. On 10/30/2023 at 6:45 PM, Blackwater 53393 said: This is a contest within contests. It’s conducted over seven state matches and has nothing to do, directly, with any single match or with SASS other than that points are awarded over a sampling of the three best matches shot by those who participate in the series! These categories are for the Magnificent Seven series only! The Magnificent Seven Contest was created to help promote participation in those seven state matches and to give the participants in the series incentive to maybe enter more matches! Capt. BB! Thanks for doing it again!! Everyone, including me, seemed to enjoy it last year, so I'm happy to do it again this year. 13 hours ago, Fretless said: Maybe 5 out of 7? Perhaps. I'm open to whichever option attracts the most participants. As long as we get 5 people signed up for it we can get a buckle. 13 hours ago, Fretless said: I think that's probably a redd herring when averaged over 3 matches. (Using average stage time, not total match time, to account for a 12 stage match compared to a 10 stage match). Unless you are getting the rank score after eliminating all non-M7 shooters, the rank will always be inaccurate and dependent on the success or failure of others at each individual match, whereas time is purely your own. My concern is that some matches are 'faster' than others. I'm inclined to keep it the way it was last year, but I'm open to discussing it right up until I start taking money. At that point we won't change anything. 11 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: The most fair way I can see to do it would be rank in category. Example, if you have 5, Mag 7 in the Cowboy Category first place Cowboy will get 1 rank point, 2nd Cowboy would get 2 rank points etc.. It won't matter how many shooters in other categories are in the match. If you use rank amongst all Mag 7 shooter it would make a big difference between a match with 85 shooters and a match with 225 shooters. Just my opinion. Randy My concern about ranking in category rather than overall ranking is that at a lightly attended match a person could get a '1' simply because they're the only person in their category shooting that match. But, as I stated above, I welcome a discussion as I certainly don't have all the answers! 10 hours ago, Scarlett said: I LOVE the All Around Cowboy Idea so much that I might just do it! Oh, and you can count on @Bullets By Scarlett to sponsor again. I’ll give a Ryder Shotshell sizer ($375 value) as a prize! Everyone who is entered into the Magnificent Seven is eligible to win it! How does that sound? Hugs! Scarlett When you get the apps ready, I can put it on my website, too! Scarlett, you're a treasure. That's an incredibly generous prize and I'm grateful to you for offering it and for all you do to promote our game. I'm hoping last year's sponsors will donate again this year and I'm waiting to hear about a fairly large sponsorship I solicited and that's currently under consideration. Speaking of sponsors, I would like to send out a big thank you to @Tyrel Cody for offering to set up a website to host the Mag 7. The address will be southeastopenmagnificentseven.com It's not up yet, but will be shortly. I'll post the rules, who's coming, last year's results, and anything else fun and relevant that comes to mind there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Roper Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 What are the 7 matches involved? Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Renegade Roper said: What are the 7 matches involved? Thx. Florida Alabama Georgia Mississippi Kentucky South Carolina Tennessee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Roper Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Thank you Fretless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Lead Pepper Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 11:11 AM, Captain Bill Burt said: (2) What about a "Iron Man" buckle. Competitors would have to shoot GA, MS, TN, top shooter gets the buckle. Those three matches are on consecutive weekends starting the third Saturday of May and ending the first Saturday of June. I like this. I had fun participating in the first Magnificent 7 contest and look forward to doing it again! The Iron Man thing sounds kind of fun...might get me to add another match to the rotation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 42 minutes ago, Renegade Roper said: What are the 7 matches involved? Thx. Here's a link to the first Mag 7 competition thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Lucky Lead Pepper said: The Iron Man thing sounds kind of fun...might get me to add another match to the rotation! That's the whole idea. Get folks to attend more state matches in the Southeast. I know I shot 2 additional state matches last year directly due to the M7 competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 https://southeastopenmagnificentseven.com/ Looking forward to this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 Thanks for getting that website up and running Tyrel. It looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 18 hours ago, Tyrel Cody said: https://southeastopenmagnificentseven.com/ Looking forward to this! That "about" page is a masterpiece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Fretless said: That "about" page is a masterpiece Some of us have to work and didn't think to delete that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 I'm bumping this back up hoping for feedback on the Iron Man and the All Around Cowboy idea. The website is up with an updated application. Sponsors are all back on board, plus some new ones. Thanks to Scarlett (Bullets by Scarlett) for sponsoring with a Ryder Shotshell sizer, to Larry Paige (Paige Custom Knives) for sponsoring with a custom screwknife to Ron Bellamy (Buffalo's Wild West) for sponsoring the second place and to the clubs for each sponsoring a buckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Traveller Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I've never been a fan of "rank point" scoring. If someone plays their cards right and shoots only the smaller matches even though their overall times are slower than their M7 competitors who shoot the bigger matches they have a higher finishing position in that particular match so they can still win the M7 category. I don't know the answer to this dilema but I would welcome an alternative to rank point scoring. I hope this makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 It makes perfect sense and I’m open to changes. The decision we face is between rank points and the advantages that creates when going to more sparsely attended matches and total time and the advantages that creates when going to ‘faster’ matches. I’m open to discussion and suggestions… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I haven’t looked but is any one match(Mag 7 anyway) really that much slower than another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preacherman Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 They're all different in their own way. Some are definitely different with harder matches, 12 stages, bad weather can affect things a lot like SC did. I have no answer. Just saying. I like total time best, but if participants don't shoot the same matches it isn't fair either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 The whole idea behind the Magnificant 7 is to get people to attend more state matches in the Southeast. The more matches you attend, the better your odds of winning your catagory. If you only shoot 3 big matches, you probably won't do as well as you would have had you shot 3 of the lower attendance matches. Of course, if you only shoot 3 matches and really screw one of them up, Stage DQ, then someone who shot more matches will have the advantage of throwing out the screw up match. I like that it is geared towards getting more people to attend more matches. Especially the lesser attended matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preacherman Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Yes, what B Bob said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 9:46 PM, Scarlett said: I LOVE the All Around Cowboy Idea so much that I might just do it! Outlaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Mister Badly said: Outlaw? I’ll see what the all around requirements are! I could do Outlaw, I suppose! Hugs! Scarlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 19, 2023 Author Share Posted November 19, 2023 CAS has four shooting styles, All Around Cowboy will require competitors to select three of the four and shoot three State matches using those styles. Choose from Traditional, Duelist, Gunfighter and Outlaw. If I were going to compete in AAC I might go up to Kentucky and shoot outlaw since they have a bunch of those up there. Maybe shoot duelist with the infamous @Tennessee williams and @Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 up in Tennessee and shoot traditional in Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 35 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: CAS has four shooting styles, All Around Cowboy will require competitors to select three of the four and shoot three State matches using those styles. Choose from Traditional, Duelist, Gunfighter and Outlaw. If I were going to compete in AAC I might go up to Kentucky and shoot outlaw since they have a bunch of those up there. Maybe shoot duelist with the infamous @Tennessee williams and @Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 up in Tennessee and shoot traditional in Georgia. Or you could be a gamer and compete in Duelist at one of the matches you knew no usual M7 duelists were going to compete in. That's why I'm kind of against the AAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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