Hoss Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Scenario is Shotgun - rifle -pistols. Shooter shoots shotgun, rifle, 1st pistol. Stages 1st pistol on table, draws 2nd finished stage. Returns 2nd pistol to leather. So far so good. Shooter goes to retrieve long guns, forgets to reholster 1st pistol. He gets long guns, sees other pistol on table, retrieved it and goes on to ULT. WTC? some said P, a couple thought MSV. After discussion, no call. I was in the no call camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Wheeler Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Pistols are to be holstered before the next shooting string. Pistols were last, collect firearms and proceed to the ULT. No call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 See pages 15 and 22 SHB where this is addressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 When you get to the part where a violation of the rules occurred according to some of those other range officials, please provide it. We'd like to know. Of course it's no call. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 some folks must have way too much time on their hands. NC, "Next shooter!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 NO CALL!! Some folks try to make up rules as they go. Don't work that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 Thanks all, I was 99&44/100 it Was a no call situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet Jones 99980 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 So I have to ask a question, cuz it happened to me and was my own fault. Did the stage instructions say “ reholster”? Mine did and I was so focused on the pattern of the stage, I missed that very important piece of the puzzle. I chose, spur of the moment to stage both pistols with the intent of reholstering upon retrieval. Oops... got the appropriate “P”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Poet Jones 99980 said: So I have to ask a question, cuz it happened to me and was my own fault. Did the stage instructions say “ reholster”? Mine did and I was so focused on the pattern of the stage, I missed that very important piece of the puzzle. I chose, spur of the moment to stage both pistols with the intent of reholstering upon retrieval. Oops... got the appropriate “P”. Were the pistols shot last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet Jones 99980 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 No sir. As I said, lapse of concentration. I had no intention of doing it when I began the stage. Never did it before, never intend to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Poet Jones 99980 said: No sir. As I said, lapse of concentration. I had no intention of doing it when I began the stage. Never did it before, never intend to do it again. Ok, that makes sense now. Reholsterhing doesn't apply in the OP's situation because the revolvers were shot last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I'm confused about poet jones's question. You have to reholster at the conclusion of a pistol string as a default. So unless it says specifically that you can stage them on a table, you have to reholster. Doesn't matter that the stage said reholster. Unless I missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Ramblin Gambler said: I'm confused about poet jones's question. You have to reholster at the conclusion of a pistol string as a default. So unless it says specifically that you can stage them on a table, you have to reholster. Doesn't matter that the stage said reholster. Unless I missed something. you're not missing anything... SHB pg 13-14 Quote SECTION 4 – RANGE OPERATIONS & SAFETY RULES “Conventions” refer to standard range behaviors and rules that every shooter is expected to know and follow at all times. ALL SASS Safety conventions are not negotiable and shall never be overruled by match design or shooting course descriptions. Stage Conventions are standard default rules unless otherwise directed by stage design/description (e.g., knockdown targets must go down to count). - Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered) (in a safe condition) at the conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs otherwise (e.g., “move to the next position and set gun on table or prop”). A shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type of firearm engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Revolvers are last... last shot (from revolver) goes off and stage is OVER!!! As long as revolvers are reholstered and taken to unloading table, there is no Procedural. First pistol went to the table after firing (pistol string was not over yet). If stage instructions said to reholster each pistol after firing (why would you say that?) then it's a P, otherwise no call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Mays Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 This has been discussed before. If pistols are not shot last, they both have to be returned to leather before the next gun is fired. If they are not, it's a P. If pistols are shot last, then no call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Revolvers are last... last shot (from revolver) goes off and stage is OVER!!! As long as revolvers are reholstered and taken to unloading table, there is no Procedural. First pistol went to the table after firing (pistol string was not over yet). If stage instructions said to reholster each pistol after firing (why would you say that?) then it's a P, otherwise no call. Don't know that the stage is over but the timer stops anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Quote Stage – synonymous with “Course of Fire” from the beep of the timer once the shooter has signified “ready” to the last shot fired. SHB p.45 - "Glossary of Terms" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I wasn't saying it was a p. I thought the opposite. I was referring to still being able to get calls on you until cleared at the unloading table. Poor choice of words on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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