WTC pistols to leather?

[Hoss]

Scenario is Shotgun - rifle -pistols. Shooter shoots shotgun, rifle,  1st pistol. Stages 1st pistol on table, draws 2nd finished stage. Returns 2nd pistol to leather. So far so good. Shooter goes to retrieve long guns, forgets to reholster 1st pistol. He gets long guns, sees other pistol on table, retrieved it and goes on to ULT.  WTC?

 

some said P, a couple thought MSV. After discussion, no call. I was in the no call camp. 

 

 

[Dutch Wheeler]

Pistols are to be holstered before the next shooting string.  Pistols were last, collect firearms and proceed to the ULT.  No call.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

See pages 15 and 22 SHB where this is addressed

[Garrison Joe, SASS #60708]

When you get to the part where a violation of the rules occurred according to some of those other range officials, please provide it.  We'd like to know. 

 

Of course it's no call. 

 

Good luck, GJ

 

[Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L]

some folks must have way too much time on their hands.  NC, "Next shooter!"

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

NO CALL!!

 

Some folks try to make up rules as they go.  Don't work that way 

[Hoss]

Thanks all, I was 99&44/100 it Was a no call situation. 

[Poet Jones 99980]

So I have to ask a question, cuz it happened to me and was my own fault. Did the stage instructions say “ reholster”? Mine did and I was so focused on the pattern of the stage, I missed that very important piece of the puzzle. I chose, spur of the moment to stage both pistols with the intent of reholstering upon retrieval. Oops... got the appropriate “P”.

[Tyrel Cody]

4 minutes ago, Poet Jones 99980 said:

So I have to ask a question, cuz it happened to me and was my own fault. Did the stage instructions say “ reholster”? Mine did and I was so focused on the pattern of the stage, I missed that very important piece of the puzzle. I chose, spur of the moment to stage both pistols with the intent of reholstering upon retrieval. Oops... got the appropriate “P”.

 

Were the pistols shot last? 

[Poet Jones 99980]

No sir. As I said, lapse of concentration. I had no intention of doing it when I began the stage. Never did it before, never intend to do it again. 

[Tyrel Cody]

2 minutes ago, Poet Jones 99980 said:

No sir. As I said, lapse of concentration. I had no intention of doing it when I began the stage. Never did it before, never intend to do it again. 

Ok, that makes sense now. Reholsterhing doesn't apply in the OP's situation because the revolvers were shot last. 

[Ramblin Gambler]

I'm confused about poet jones's question.  You have to reholster at the conclusion of a pistol string as a default.  So unless it says specifically that you can stage them on a table, you have to reholster.  Doesn't matter that the stage said reholster.  Unless I missed something. 

[Branchwater Jack SASS #88854]

13 hours ago, Ramblin Gambler said:

I'm confused about poet jones's question.  You have to reholster at the conclusion of a pistol string as a default.  So unless it says specifically that you can stage them on a table, you have to reholster.  Doesn't matter that the stage said reholster.  Unless I missed something. 

you're not missing anything...

 

SHB pg 13-14

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SECTION 4 – RANGE OPERATIONS & SAFETY RULES
“Conventions” refer to standard range behaviors and rules that every shooter is expected to
know and follow at all times. ALL SASS Safety conventions are not negotiable and shall
never be overruled by match design or shooting course descriptions. Stage Conventions are
standard default rules unless otherwise directed by stage design/description (e.g., knockdown
targets must go down to count).

 

- Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered) (in a safe condition) at the
conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs
otherwise (e.g., “move to the next position and set gun on table or prop”). A
shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type
of firearm engaged.

 

 

[The Rainmaker, SASS #11631]

Revolvers are last... last shot (from revolver) goes off and stage is OVER!!! As long as revolvers are reholstered and taken to unloading table, there is no Procedural. First pistol went to the table after firing (pistol string was not over yet). If stage instructions said to reholster each pistol after firing (why would you say that?) then it's a P, otherwise no call.

[Lawman Mays]

This has been discussed before. If pistols are not shot last, they both have to be returned to leather before the next gun is fired. If they are not, it's a P. If pistols are shot last, then no call.

[Tennessee williams]

59 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:

Revolvers are last... last shot (from revolver) goes off and stage is OVER!!! As long as revolvers are reholstered and taken to unloading table, there is no Procedural. First pistol went to the table after firing (pistol string was not over yet). If stage instructions said to reholster each pistol after firing (why would you say that?) then it's a P, otherwise no call.

Don't know that the stage is over but the timer stops anyway.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

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Stage – synonymous with “Course of Fire” from the beep of the timer once the shooter has signified “ready” to the last shot fired. 

SHB p.45 - "Glossary of Terms"

[Tennessee williams]

I wasn't saying it was a p. I thought the opposite. I was referring to still being able to get calls on you until cleared at the unloading table. Poor choice of words on my part.