Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Wondering if anyone knows which 209 primer is THE most sensitive. I have a special application where a light hammer spring is needed. I am using Federals currently but wondering if there is anything softer out there that anyone has experience with. Thank you in advance for the info. Deuce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Clay Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 http://www.sassnet.com/forums/index.php?/topic/184266-primer-hardness/ http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=8075.0;highlight=primer+hardness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Deuce I need a good shipping address for you so I can send you this world speed rifle award to you. Send it to me in private. Ace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Shotgun Clay said: http://www.sassnet.com/forums/index.php?/topic/184266-primer-hardness/ http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=8075.0;highlight=primer+hardness The OP is looking for Shotgun 209 primer data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 My experience has directed me to Cheddite Shotgun primers. They are a tad larger in diameter and don't seat quite as deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.T Chambers, SASS#76185 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Cheddites are recommended by the gunsmith that does the action work on my shotguns. The cups are flat and flush MTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 They are the only primers that woud consistantly fire in my BSS before I replaced the weak springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cent Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Clay Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Yusta B. said: The OP is looking for Shotgun 209 primer data. OOPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Just now, Shotgun Clay said: OOPS I do that kind of stuff ALL the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cent Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 another ooooppss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Deuce, Only help I can give you is on performance. With our use of (normally), very reduced powder charges, and then of course the low pressures accompanying such loads, the very hot Federal 209A primers with their white hot aluminum particle release will ensure better powder burns and better consistency than any of the other primers. It would also seem quite likely that since their rifle and pistol primers are soft faced, that the same material would be used in their Shot Shell primers too. Can't vouch for that, but it seems reasonable. They do manufacture their own primers. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Fiocchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirrupTrouble Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I am not sure if it is the softest, but I have never had a FTF from my Winchester primers (now I know I just jinxed myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I've found Cheddite primers to be the most reliable in my brass shotshells. I use 'em in my plastic shells too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 7:04 PM, M.T Chambers, SASS#76185 said: Cheddites are recommended by the gunsmith that does the action work on my shotguns. The cups are flat and flush MTC. I have a friend that teaches skeet shooting. He told me the same thing about Cheddites. They are so soft according to him some firing pins on stock guns can even punch through them. This is ALL second hand info so take it for what it is. I did use some and they are slightly bigger than Federals so they will enlarge the prime pocket a bit if that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Often when folks think they are getting a light shotgun firing pin strike, they actually are getting a short strike - due to either fouling buildup in the action or damage to FP or a double that is starting to open a gap between standing breech and the chambers. Or due to the design of the primer cup and battery cup shell. Cheddite primers seem to solve a lot of problems (either temporarily or permanently) because they have a primer cup that is set very flush and is made with a very flat face. Federal 209A primers have a real "design flaw" in that they use a very rounded top primer cup, and the equipment used to set the cup into the primer battery shell sometimes sets the primer cup deeper than flush. Both problems make it possible for a FP not to hit a Fed 209A well enough to light it off, just due to the physical tolerances rather than the hardness of the primer cup material. My TTN external hammer gun hits primers not-very-deeply (short firing pins I guess). It fails to fire with some lots of Feds. It has not failed to fire with Cheddites one time in last 3 years. Bottom line - another + vote for trying Cheddites. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradoblackjack Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 line up one each of all the primers you are interested in. with a straight face say to all of them "you're little sister is a LOT prettier than you..." which ever primer cries the hardest is the most sensitive. you're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: Often when folks think they are getting a light shotgun firing pin strike, they actually are getting a short strike - due to either fouling buildup in the action or damage to FP or a double that is starting to open a gap between standing breech and the chambers. Or due to the design of the primer cup and battery cup shell. Cheddite primers seem to solve a lot of problems (either temporarily or permanently) because they have a primer cup that is set very flush and is made with a very flat face. Federal 209A primers have a real "design flaw" in that they use a very rounded top primer cup, and the equipment used to set the cup into the primer battery shell sometimes sets the primer cup deeper than flush. Both problems make it possible for a FP not to hit a Fed 209A well enough to light it off, just due to the physical tolerances rather than the hardness of the primer cup material. My TTN external hammer gun hits primers not-very-deeply (short firing pins I guess). It fails to fire with some lots of Feds. It has not failed to fire with Cheddites one time in last 3 years. Bottom line - another + vote for trying Cheddites. Good luck, GJ +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I was finding FEDs were have a .003 differnce in depth from edge to primer face,, Cheddite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 16 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: Often when folks think they are getting a light shotgun firing pin strike, they actually are getting a short strike - due to either fouling buildup in the action or damage to FP or a double that is starting to open a gap between standing breech and the chambers. Or due to the design of the primer cup and battery cup shell. Cheddite primers seem to solve a lot of problems (either temporarily or permanently) because they have a primer cup that is set very flush and is made with a very flat face. Federal 209A primers have a real "design flaw" in that they use a very rounded top primer cup, and the equipment used to set the cup into the primer battery shell sometimes sets the primer cup deeper than flush. Both problems make it possible for a FP not to hit a Fed 209A well enough to light it off, just due to the physical tolerances rather than the hardness of the primer cup material. My TTN external hammer gun hits primers not-very-deeply (short firing pins I guess). It fails to fire with some lots of Feds. It has not failed to fire with Cheddites one time in last 3 years. Bottom line - another + vote for trying Cheddites. Good luck, GJ +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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