Marie Laveau Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Shooter engages pistol targets with rifle (all 10 shots on pistol targets).Is it a 'p' or is it 10 misses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 10 misses... Ask Allie Mo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 10 misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Bet we get to page two!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 gotta look at the flow chart , BUT off the top I would call 10 misses and a P Chickasaw Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 No "P" They just missed the appropriate targets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Wyatt yer probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 10 misses. No P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 It is what it is. No Cadillac ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 PENALTY OVERVIEW 5-SECOND PENALTIES ... ... ... • Each target hit with an incorrect firearm, either intentionally or by mistake. • ... RO1 p.23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Laveau Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Thanks everyone for your input. There have been some discussions about this recently and I'm glad you all helped confirm that we have been making the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 This is one of the most misunderstood calls out there. I've seen too many spotters just let the shooter continue on thinking they've earned their one P, rather than telling the shooter to correct fire and save them from some misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 10 misses... Ask Allie Mo... She knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Prior to 2001, when a miss was a miss and a brain fade was a P, this would have been a P. Then the rules were changed and this mistake became a MAJOR mistake worth up to 50 or even 100 seconds, more than a Spirit of the Game penalty. But those are the rules now, so 10 misses, no P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The reason , I posted what I did , was many years ago at a State match , I was given both , in a similar occurance NO big deal to me , as I am a bottom of the pack shooter Chickasaw Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I did it once while visiting a new club. Was pretty embarrassed. They gave me a P, I looked it up later and figured it should have been 10 misses. no Cadillac either way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Maybe no "Cadillac"...which frankly I hate that phrase, but crappy knowledge of the rules. Wish folks would learn the basics of the rules and enforce them and support them. That would mean going back to the folks that made the bad call(s) and show them where they were wrong rather then simply saying things like "I'm a bottom of the score sheet shooter", or "Ain't no Cadillac awarded"...but...maybe ya did... Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Maybe no "Cadillac"...which frankly I hate that phrase, but crappy knowledge of the rules. Wish folks would learn the basics of the rules and enforce them and support them. That would mean going back to the folks that made the bad call(s) and show them where they were wrong rather then simply saying things like "I'm a bottom of the score sheet shooter", or "Ain't no Cadillac awarded"...but...maybe ya did... Phantom I have had the same thing happen, and I did go to the match officials and ask that the scores be changed if only to help someone else move up a spot or two overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I have had the same thing happen, and I did go to the match officials and ask that the scores be changed if only to help someone else move up a spot or two overall. That's not what I'm talking about...don't care about the finishing order (though that's a good thing), but rather the educating of those folks that make bad calls and are never told of their bad call. They'll never learn... Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 That's not what I'm talking about...don't care about the finishing order (though that's a good thing), but rather the educating of those folks that make bad calls and are never told of their bad call. They'll never learn... Phantom Oh, I let those folks know as well, not to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Oh, I let those folks know as well, not to worry. Good on you!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Many times, on this mistake, the shooter gets caught after either the first or second shot on the wrong type of target. The shooter must now continue the sequence on not only the proper type of target but also the proper target number or they will earn a Procedural for shooting out of sequence. For instance - The shooter shoots two shots on the wrong type of target. They must now place the next shot on target three of the right type of target and continue the string. Else they will earn a P plus the two misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 A long time ago my wife shot rifle targets with her pistols and was given 10 misses. After she unloaded and was back at her cart, the posse marshall asked her to go back to the firing line and point to the pistol targets while he was down range (she pointed only to the rifle targets). Turns out the window she shot thru was so high there was no way she could see the pistol targets. He removed the misses with no prior discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korupt Karl Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 The reason , I posted what I did , was many years ago at a State match , I was given both , in a similar occurance NO big deal to me , as I am a bottom of the pack shooter Chickasaw Bill If you ever question or think that a penalty or call was wrong at a big match, don't sign the book and make an incident or protest request before leaving the unload table. One simple thing is to ask to see it in the book. We all know a miss cannot cause a P and in this case it is clearly a miss for each shot. I know because I did it a few years back at a Florida shoot. OOPS! But if in doubt....ask and learn and if you know it's the wrong call ask to see it in the rule book. Just my too scents KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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