Wyatt Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 During a rifle run a live round gets trapped and stands strait up, bullet up, in the carrier of the shooters 73. The shooter reaches up and plucks the round out, never losing control of the round, and places it in his mouth. He shoot the remaining rounds in his rifle and takes the round from his mouth and loads it into his rifle. Again never losing control of the round. Is this considered a reload?The rules state • Ammunition required for reloads during the course of any stage must be carried on theshooter’s person in a bandoleer, cartridge/shotshell belt loop, pouch, holster, or pocket or besafely staged as required by stage instructions. Leather belt slide ammo loops areacceptable; however, shotgun shell slides may not be worn over shotgun loops on an ammobelt. Shotgun loops must be in a single row. Rifle and revolver ammunition may not becarried in a shotshell loop. No ammunition may be carried in the mouth, ears, nose,cleavage, or any other bodily orifice. What's the call penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I wold say it was brought to the line legally. No call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 as I have done this before,,, it is of course a NO CALL!!!!! next yule wannna know if you can pull a hull out of your shotgun with your teeth,,,,,, been there done that tuu!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 No call. It was brought to the line legally (in the gun) and never left the shooter's control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 NO RULE BROKEN...NO CALL...NO PENALTY. The round was never "carried" in the mouth...(i.e. transported from one location to another). It was not completely "ejected" from the rifle (therefore, it is NOT a "retrieved" dead round) You've earned your Christmas "STAR" with this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 The TO, me, got the call right and I got another Star It is a Christmas Miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 No call, this was NOT a reload, it was a MALFUNCTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 My opinion is the round is a reloaded round. It was in the gun and removed and then RELOADED in to the gun again. Whether it's the same round or another round, it's still a reloaded round because it has to be put in the gun to get the correct fired rounds. ------------- The definition above (1 below) is correct but it is not the only definition. To transport is not a requirement of carried. (see 2) 1. to take or support from one place to another; convey; transport: He carried her for a mile in his arms. This elevator cannot carry more than ten people. 2. to wear, hold, or have around one: He carries his knife in his pocket. He carries a cane. 3. to contain or be capable of containing; hold: The suitcase will carry enough clothes for a week. "No ammunition may be carried in the mouth, ears, nose, cleavage, or any other bodily orifice." seems to me to mean you can not use ammunition retrieved from these places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 My opinion is the round is a reloaded round. It was in the gun and removed and then RELOADED in to the gun again. Whether it's the same round or another round, it's still a reloaded round because it has to be put in the gun to get the correct fired rounds. ------------- The definition above (1 below) is correct but it is not the only definition. To transport is not a requirement of carried. (see 2) 1. to take or support from one place to another; convey; transport: He carried her for a mile in his arms. This elevator cannot carry more than ten people. 2. to wear, hold, or have around one: He carries his knife in his pocket. He carries a cane. 3. to contain or be capable of containing; hold: The suitcase will carry enough clothes for a week. "No ammunition may be carried in the mouth, ears, nose, cleavage, or any other bodily orifice." seems to me to mean you can not use ammunition retrieved from these places. Previous rulings regarding removal of ammo from either a firearm or another location (e.g. loops/pouch) and being place in the mouth after being CARRIED to the line in an approved manner use the FIRST definition. Placing round(s) in the mouth prior to loading (or reloading) is not recommended, but it is NOT a violation of the rule under the given circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 My opinion is the round is a reloaded round. It was in the gun and removed and then RELOADED in to the gun again. Whether it's the same round or another round, it's still a reloaded round because it has to be put in the gun to get the correct fired rounds. ------------- The definition above (1 below) is correct but it is not the only definition. To transport is not a requirement of carried. (see 2) 1. to take or support from one place to another; convey; transport: He carried her for a mile in his arms. This elevator cannot carry more than ten people. 2. to wear, hold, or have around one: He carries his knife in his pocket. He carries a cane. 3. to contain or be capable of containing; hold: The suitcase will carry enough clothes for a week. "No ammunition may be carried in the mouth, ears, nose, cleavage, or any other bodily orifice." seems to me to mean you can not use ammunition retrieved from these places. By that there 'definition' any one of us who grabs more than the number of required shotgun rounds and holds those EXTRA rounds in a hand/between fingers would be violating that there rule...sorry, not buying it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Oh... My... Gawd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 OYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Chains Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I can see where is no call, but strikes me as slow and not too smart, either dump it and pull a ctg from the belt at the end of the string or clip it between a couple of fingers and shove it back in the gun once you have engaged the rest of the targets.....I ain't puttin no bulett in my mouth! The other answer is 42, but what was the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 the sass rule does not list hands as bodily orifice. -------------------------- "Previous rulings regarding removal of ammo from either a firearm or another location (e.g. loops/pouch) and being place in the mouth after being CARRIED to the line in an approved manner use the FIRST definition. Placing round(s) in the mouth prior to loading (or reloading) is not recommended, but it is NOT a violation of the rule under the given circumstances." please tell me where I can find in the written rules or in the OR section where it's legal to carry or put ammunition in your mouth and then use it to reload. I don't remember seeing it. If it's there, I will accept it. But I won't be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 the sass rule does not list hands as bodily orifice. -------------------------- "Previous rulings regarding removal of ammo from either a firearm or another location (e.g. loops/pouch) and being place in the mouth after being CARRIED to the line in an approved manner use the FIRST definition. Placing round(s) in the mouth prior to loading (or reloading) is not recommended, but it is NOT a violation of the rule under the given circumstances." please tell me where I can find in the written rules or in the OR section where it's legal to carry or put ammunition in your mouth and then use it to reload. I don't remember seeing it. If it's there, I will accept it. But I won't be doing it. It's NOT in the written rules, nor has it been published in the Oregon? section ... same as it is not stated specifically that redundant safety mechanisms may be removed/disabled. Many of the WB/ROC rulings on specific incidents, modifications, or practices are NOT codified into the rules. As stated in the quoted post #5...it is NOT a "recommended practice", but doing so in the OP scenario is NOT against the rule "as written" ... ...whether you accept it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 BUT, BUT, BUT. BUT,,,,,,,, It has been answered repeatedly by the official spokesman of the ROC!!! I would think that shud settle it,,,, but if someone else THINKS differently, well by all means maybe this can go on for 5 more pages.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Wyatt, here is the answer: SHOOT A MARLIN! ..........WIDDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Illegally acquired ammunition – ammo NOT carried to the line or staged by the shooter in an approved manner. RO1 "Glossary of Terms" p.30 The ammo WAS "...carried to the line in an approved manner"...i.e. IN the magazine of the rifle. Therefore: The P+Miss penalty for "Use of illegally acquired ammunition" does NOT APPLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 It is getting cold outside and the wire starts to heat up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 hey wider, I may be special,,, I've had to pull rounds out too,,, back before I widderized them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So, apparently, Bobo the Orangutan could come to the line, pull ten shotgun shells from ihis bandoleer, stuff them into his mouth, draw them from his mouth, load them into his SxS and fire them withithout penalty. However, if Bobo spits them from his mouth, through thin air, into the shotgun's chambers and fires them, then that's a procedural and a miss for the first spat round and only a miss for every subsequent round so spat through the air into his shotgun and fired; right? :-) ;-) (I need to update my notes.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So, apparently, Bobo the Orangutan could come to the line, pull ten shotgun shells from ihis bandoleer, stuff them into his mouth, draw them from his mouth, load them into his SxS and fire them withithout penalty. However, if Bobo spits them from his mouth, through thin air, into the shotgun's chambers and fires them, then that's a procedural and a miss for the first spat round and only a miss for every subsequent round so spat through the air into his shotgun and fired; right? :-) ;-) (I need to update my notes.) NO...that is NOT right. IF that's how YOU want to load your SxS, go right ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0ckr0ach, SASS #26100 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The context of the Rule "as written" is transportation. So, the definition #1 is Post #8 is the most applicable. American English is a flexible language. The same written word can have more than one meaning based on context. That is both the strength and the danger of the language - requiring careful word selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So, apparently, Bobo the Orangutan could come to the line, pull ten shotgun shells from ihis bandoleer, stuff them into his mouth, draw them from his mouth, load them into his SxS and fire them withithout penalty. However, if Bobo spits them from his mouth, through thin air, into the shotgun's chambers and fires them, then that's a procedural and a miss for the first spat round and only a miss for every subsequent round so spat through the air into his shotgun and fired; right? :-) ;-) (I need to update my notes.) As PWB said...you're wrong...so yes, you apparently do need to update your notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korupt Karl Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Wyatt; When you post a WTC, I just can't wait to see what kind of stuff you can come up with. Very entertaining on a Sunday morning. Can't wait to see you in Jan. KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 KK Although I do possess a bizarre imagination you can't make up most of this shi...........stuff. Lately I'm beginning to feel a little cursed. The past month or so with the timer has been.........lets say, challenging. As things go this OP was 2 on the scale for yesterday. By my count there were a couple of 5's, several 7's, a 9 that should have been a 10 and a "Oh My God he/she didn't just go down there"...........in other words a typical weekend lately Come on........January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 see wut happens win I taint thar to babysit Wyatt!!!!! and I still can't believe people arguing with Wolfie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 NO...that is NOT right. IF that's how YOU want to load your SxS, go right ahead. NO...that is NOT right. IF that's how YOU want to load your SxS, go right ahead. Actually, I'M not wrong. It was the Orangutan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Wyatt; When you post a WTC, I just can't wait to see what kind of stuff you can come up with. Very entertaining on a Sunday morning. Can't wait to see you in Jan. KK Actually KK, ifn you'll look South at the same time ole Wyatt is standing up, you can probably see the top of his hat...... KK: and I can't wait to see you in about 2 weeks. Have safe travels and bring me a nice Christmas present... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Actually, I'M not wrong. It was the Orangutan. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That's funny!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 That was simple so why shouldn't you get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 BUT, BUT, BUT. BUT,,,,,,,, It has been answered repeatedly by the official spokesman of the ROC!!! I would think that shud settle it,,,, but if someone else THINKS differently, well by all means maybe this can go on for 5 more pages.... Hey CC, Reading this is better than watching snow falling down Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 That was simple so why shouldn't you get it right. In the old days before I mellowed I would taken offense to that statement and told you to go suck a bullet..............thank goodness I've mellowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goliath, SASS #41359 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Mellowed? hah! Bah Humbug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo slim Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 This thread is leaving a bad taste in my mouth...phtttt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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