Cherokee Kliff Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Your rifle jams, and won't immediately clear. Do you Tell the RO you can't complete the stage, pick up your shotgun and go to the unloading table...what ? Are you allowed to work on the rifle at the unloading table, or do you excuse yourself to an isolated area...what ? Didn't see any of this mentioned in the rule book, unless I missed it, and I know the game is based on everything working every time, but when Murphy pops up, how do you handle the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe LaFives #5481 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 You get to choose how much time you want to spend clearing the rifle. If you decide to stop with the rifle - you lay it down safely or hand it off safely ,depending on the situation, and continue with the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I usually yell "malfunction" before grounding the rifle or handing it off. Where you are allowed to fix the rifle depends on the safety procedures at the particular range. Hopefully the match director explains those procedures at the beginning of the match. Founders Ranch does not allow a loaded rifle to leave a berm and will call a gunsmith to clear the rifle if needed. This is to the shooter's advantage for if the rifle discharges while the gunsmith clears it the shooter receives no penalty. My local range has a designated safety area where shooters can fix their firearms. We really frown on work taking place in the back of a pickup truck in the parking lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Unless you are at a local club that allows reshoots for malfunctions, (some do some don't) VOCALLY declare a malfunction and like the others said either place it safely on a prop or hand it off. If you stop mid-stage on your own you've bought the rest of the stage whether you shot the rest of it or not, ie all shots not fired are counted as misses. Like mentioned already, NEVER take a broken firearm that is still loaded from a stage without permission. That can buy you a match DQ. always declare a firearm broken if there is a problem when disgarding it to cover yourself,,,,especially in the case of a suspected squib,,,that way if no one else knew what was going on you're covered....long story... Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Unless you are at a local club that allows reshoots for malfunctions, (some do some don't) VOCALLY declare a malfunction and like the others said either place it safely on a prop or hand it off. If you stop mid-stage on your own you've bought the rest of the stage whether you shot the rest of it or not, ie all shots not fired are counted as misses. Like mentioned already, NEVER take a broken firearm that is still loaded from a stage without permission. That can buy you a match DQ. always declare a firearm broken if there is a problem when disgarding it to cover yourself,,,,especially in the case of a suspected squib,,,that way if no one else knew what was going on you're covered....long story... Cheyenne Dang Cheyenne! You ben takin' English lesens? I like the "new you" much better! Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Just a clarification, the only time a shooter is allowed a re-shoot is if the first gun picked up doesn't function. If you are in the middle of a stage and a gun malfunctions, no re-shoot. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Just a clarification, the only time a shooter is allowed a re-shoot is if the first gun picked up doesn't function. If you are in the middle of a stage and a gun malfunctions, no re-shoot. Ike Ike Dear, I know you know this... A shooter may be granted a RE-START, for many reasons, such as dropping SG shells, fumbling a gun, starting in the wrong position... A RE-SHOOT may be granted for many reasons too. For example, TO impedes or misdirects the shooter... YES, a gun malfunction will not result in a RE-SHOOT after the first round goes down range. Again, I know you meant to say this. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thank you Miss Allie, you are correct.......again,Hope to see you somewhere we shoot this year. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thank you Miss Allie, you are correct.......again,Hope to see you somewhere we shoot this year. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 My local range has a designated safety area where shooters can fix their firearms. We really frown on work taking place in the back of a pickup truck in the parking lot. Not to hijack Kliff's thread here, and to amplify Mr. Canby's point, it's up to the shooter to fix his/her malfunctioning gun. Hand it off, get it to the unloading table, and then everybody else please leave it alone! We all want to be helpful to a pard in distress, but I think if you really want to piss somebody off take a screwdriver to and start tearing apart a gun that isn't yours. If they need help, they'll ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Your rifle jams, and won't immediately clear. Do you Tell the RO you can't complete the stage, pick up your shotgun and go to the unloading table...what ? Are you allowed to work on the rifle at the unloading table, or do you excuse yourself to an isolated area...what ? Didn't see any of this mentioned in the rule book, unless I missed it, and I know the game is based on everything working every time, but when Murphy pops up, how do you handle the situation? Throw the rifle down range. Run after it and stomp it into the ground. Hit it every steel target that was within reach. This will get you a MDQ and a invite to never return. (Every I can find a rubber rifle, I'd be tempted do this just to see everyone's expression!). OR Ask the TO if he/she wants to stage it safely or hand it to him/her and then proceed to finish shooting the stage. This will let you finish the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Hand it off, get it to the unloading table, and then everybody else please leave it alone! We all want to be helpful to a pard in distress, but I think if you really want to piss somebody off take a screwdriver to and start tearing apart a gun that isn't yours. +100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Fingered Fred 59408 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Hand it off to go to the ULT. You mess w/my $1100 rifle--I will be in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Your rifle jams, and won't immediately clear. Do you Tell the RO you can't complete the stage, pick up your shotgun and go to the unloading table...what ?Are you allowed to work on the rifle at the unloading table, or do you excuse yourself to an isolated area...what ? Didn't see any of this mentioned in the rule book, unless I missed it, and I know the game is based on everything working every time, but when Murphy pops up, how do you handle the situation? Getting back to the original question, it happens all the time. Usually an alert observer will show up at your side and you can hand the gun off to him/her. If not just declare a malfunction, ground the gun safely, and continue with the stage. If the gun is handed off, it is usually taken to the unloading table in these parts. Set down safely pointing down range or in a safe direction and nobody touches it until the owner shows up. Some clubs will allow you to work out the problem at the unloading table, others may specify a 'safe area'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Ramrod Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Getting back to the original question, it happens all the time. Usually an alert observer will show up at your side and you can hand the gun off to him/her. If not just declare a malfunction, ground the gun safely, and continue with the stage. If the gun is handed off, it is usually taken to the unloading table in these parts. Set down safely pointing down range or in a safe direction and nobody touches it until the owner shows up. Some clubs will allow you to work out the problem at the unloading table, others may specify a 'safe area'. Just remember, the loaded gun MAY NOT leave the unloading table unless under the Direct Supervision of a Match Offical MDQ. ROI Page 20: 32. If a competitor has a firearm malfunction that cannot be cleared on the line, the firearm may not be removed from the firing line/unloading area until the firearm has been cleared. A Match Disqualification will be awarded to the shooter if they leave the firing line with the malfunctioning firearm unless under the direct supervision of a Match Official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 At our little local penny-ante shoots we allow re-shoots for gun malfunctions if the shooter wants one. After all, no one is gonna win a Cadillac at the end of the day. It is a real good idea to yell "broke gun" and then ground it or hand it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 ... If you are in the middle of a stage and a gun malfunctions, no re-shoot. ... ... ... YES, a gun malfunction will not result in a RE-SHOOT after the first round goes down range. ... At our little local penny-ante shoots we allow re-shoots for gun malfunctions if the shooter wants one. ... FWIW: Many clubs do allow ONE (or more?) reshoots for firearm malfunctions at MONTHLY matches. SASS matches above the club level are “no alibi” matches.Once the first round goes down range, the competitor is committed to the stage and must finish the stage to the best of his or her ability. Reshoots/restarts are not awarded for ammunition or firearm malfunctions. SHB p.19 / RO1 p.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Hand it off to go to the ULT. You mess w/my $1100 rifle--I will be in your face. No problem there pard!! When your gun breaks in the middle of the stage, you can declare you are done and want to take your precious gun to the unloading table yourself. If the TO is on top of the situation and to minimize "interpersonal conflict", he or someone else could personally escort you with broken gun to ULT. Then he will give the score keeper the time plus however many misses you had earned. That is what I would do if I was the TO and someone was that adiment about not wanting someone to touch their firearm. I do believe in the rules, it says the shooter must hand off or safely ground the broken firearm and someone other than the shooter must take gun to ULT, so I guess we will have to sort out what penalty that would carry if not done. Perhaps PWB can give guidance on that portion of this what if. Edit: FWR in post #15 has pointed to the rule, ROI, pg20, #32, that covered what to do with a malfunctioned gun. So pard, if you and official cowboy are on the same page about the broken gun, then no penalty for you taking your declared firearm to ULT to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Unless you are at a local club that allows reshoots for malfunctions, (some do some don't) VOCALLY declare a malfunction and like the others said either place it safely on a prop or hand it off. One more option.......my least favorite........place it on the ground with the muzzle pointed safely down range. Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Fingered Fred 59408 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Apparently I did not make myself clear: Hand the malfunctioning rifle of to be taken to the ULT--NO PROBLEM. You mess w/my $1100 rifle, after it gets there--I will be in your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Hand it off to go to the ULT.You mess w/my $1100 rifle--I will be in your face. Why? I AM NOT the one who broke it! I see these comments, and yet I still see rifles & shotguns thrown down on rough wood tables with nails stickin' up and several years accumulation of dirt, grit & grime w/o a moment's hesitation. Makes me laugh out loud. :lol: I can think of any number of folks I'd be proud to have un-jam my rifle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Why? I AM NOT the one who broke it! I see these comments, and yet I still see rifles & shotguns thrown down on rough wood tables with nails stickin' up and several years accumulation of dirt, grit & grime w/o a moment's hesitation. Makes me laugh out loud. :lol: I can think of any number of folks I'd be proud to have un-jam my rifle! Griff Dear, Hubby put it this way. "I want to unjam my rifle so I can figure out what happened to it." The rest was unprintable. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Fingered Fred 59408 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 *QUOTE* I can think of any number of folks I'd be proud to have un-jam my rifle! That's odd, I can't think of a single one I want working on my rifle--UNLESS I GIVE THEM PERMISSION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 $1100? Is that all you spent on your rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Fingered Fred 59408 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Actually less than that--$ 700 for a NEW '73 Beretta Renegade + race ready from Jim Bowie. Best deal of the century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Apparently I did not make myself clear: Hand the malfunctioning rifle of to be taken to the ULT--NO PROBLEM. You mess w/my $1100 rifle, after it gets there--I will be in your face. You're post #13 was clear, this post is very clear. How ya feel if I would not accept, as a TO, you handing off your broken gun.. You can either ground it on a prop or ground or just hold it, until you holler Uncle and march off to ULT.. I ain't touching it. Sounds like some serious interpersonal conflict could occur here and someone(s) being bounce out of the shoot. BTW, I would really not be to thrilled with someone working on my guns,,,,,but,,,I typically would've plum finished up the rest of the stage in less that 10seconds and good chance would be at the ULT before goriilla man could even evaluate broken gun. Typically, I have to wait for the shooter in front of me to clear ULT before I can start to unload my firearms. Blastmaster , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Actually less than that--$ 700 for a NEW '73 Beretta Renegade + race ready from Jim Bowie. Best deal of the century. I have witnessed, but have not experienced the deal of the century. Just today,,,, at a monthly,,,, a former newbie type SASS member walked up to a pard and asked if he bought shotguns? Long story short. he sold pard a $800+ value prestine 1897 shotgun for $375. Second story. Girlfriend walked into pawn shop, asked if he had any 1897 shotguns? A matter of fact, yes. Out comes an uncut prestine 1897 and selling price was $325,,,,, no tax, out the door, with dust cover. And here I run junk Chinese 97's and kick both the pards rear end from Texas to California. Blastmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Hand it off to go to the ULT. You mess w/my $1100 rifle--I will be in your face. Why ya shooting cheep junk for? Hell man get a gun worth something. Nobody would would wanna mess with a cheapo like that anyway. Might fall apart in their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I have witnessed, but have not experienced the deal of the century. he sold pard a $800+ value prestine 1897 shotgun Blastmaster Blastmaster, could ya describe the $800 shotgun please. I haven't seen too many of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Over a decade ago I paid $750 for a TD 97 but it had two front ends and matching Fajen wood on both fronts and the buttstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Fingered Fred 59408 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Scatterbrain Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Griff Dear, Hubby put it this way. "I want to unjam my rifle so I can figure out what happened to it." The rest was unprintable. Regards, Allie Mo I recall one or more recent threads on this very topic, wherein the consensus was not to fiddle with another's guns unless asked to do so. Now it seems Three Fingered Fred is taking heat for expressing that same view. I drive a 12-year-old car. Aside from numerous mechanical and electronic problems, it also is covered with chips, scratches, rust spots, dents and dings... but I still prefer not to have random people sitting on the hood or leaning on the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cactus Cris SASS#2790 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Not to hijack Kliff's thread here, and to amplify Mr. Canby's point, it's up to the shooter to fix his/her malfunctioning gun. Hand it off, get it to the unloading table, and then everybody else please leave it alone! We all want to be helpful to a pard in distress, but I think if you really want to piss somebody off take a screwdriver to and start tearing apart a gun that isn't yours. If they need help, they'll ask. +++++1 See it all the time- ticks me off Ain't yours- leave it alone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I know that there are clubs that allow a reshoot for a gun malfuction... in fact, I am a member of one club that allows it. But I don't care for the practice at all. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 So, if on the first shot you pull the trigger and the rifle goes "pfft" and the squib bullet is stuck in the barrel, did it go down range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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