Trailrider #896 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Instead of giving Iran $6 billion dollars for release of some hostages, we should contribute to major urban renewal. IMHO, that country needs some major land clearance. We should clear away those polluting oil refineries, and perhaps turn downtown Tehran into A TRINITITE PARKING LOT! Then turn around and go after the Houthis with as much ordnance as is available! To those three troops KIA by an Iranian-backed drone, RIP! Speedy healing to those WIA by this cowardly attack! | | | 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 my thinking also Imis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Very sad day in the USA when the Commander In Chief of our armed forces is absent and not performing the job he was supposibly elected to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Guarantee you Presidents Jefferson, Jackson, Grant, TR Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, H.W. Bush, Clinton, G.W. Bush, and maybe even Obama, and Trump would be killing these SOB's really fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: Instead of giving Iran $6 billion dollars for release of some hostages, we should contribute to major urban renewal. IMHO, that country needs some major land clearance. We should clear away those polluting oil refineries, and perhaps turn downtown Tehran into A TRINITITE PARKING LOT! Then turn around and go after the Houthis with as much ordnance as is available! To those three troops KIA by an Iranian-backed drone, RIP! Speedy healing to those WIA by this cowardly attack! | | | im in agreement - this went on too long and now its arrived where most of us knew it would if we kept ignoring it , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Where’s Waldo, er Congress? Remember public attitudes and the political situation in 1939 until December 7, 1941? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 What did he expect them to do with 6 billion?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: What did he expect them to do with 6 billion?!? Hire Hunter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Yes, lets kill hundreds of thousands to millions of people who have no control over what their government does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Chantry said: Yes, lets kill hundreds of thousands to millions of people who have no control over what their government does. They might not control it, but every time they're asked about it they support the destruction of The Great Satan, (that's us in case you didn't know). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 33 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: They might not control it, but every time they're asked about it they support the destruction of The Great Satan, (that's us in case you didn't know). That still doesn't justify killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, Chantry said: That still doesn't justify killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people They want US dead, so why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: They want US dead, so why not? Trying to justify genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I can't see nuking Iran at this point, landing a few GBU 43B's in known safe havens for these a******s in whatever country provides sanctuary for them would be appropriate IMO. Once one nuke flies, another follows...and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 29 minutes ago, Chantry said: Trying to justify genocide? If they had the opportunity, they would kill us without a second thought. If they had the means and thought that they could get away with it they absolutely would strike us here at home. They still might if/when they see that we won't hit them back. A more strategic hit might make more sense for now. Show the rest of them what we can do if provoked and maybe they'll behave, for a while anyway. Let's see what they do next, hmmm? Remember, Han shot first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 And who knows how many of them are "home" here now and voting thanks to our open door policy. The land of the free if ya jump the border. Not so free for actual citizens that have to pay for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: If they had the opportunity, they would kill us without a second thought. If they had the means and thought that they could get away with it they absolutely would strike us here at home. They still might if/when they see that we won't hit them back. A more strategic hit might make more sense for now. Show the rest of them what we can do if provoked and maybe they'll behave, for a while anyway. Let's see what they do next, hmmm? Remember, Han shot first. Nothing justifies genocide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 14 minutes ago, Chantry said: Nothing justifies genocide Remember that thought if they decide that if Brandon isn't going to hit them, they're going to hit us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Another thing to consider: Iran just launched, apparently successfully, some satellites orbiting the Earth. Now that means they have the capability to launch an ICBM, but doesn't indicate whether they have solved the reentry problem...yet! (In point of fact, when Sputnik I was launched, it was assumed they had ICBM capability. As it turned out, after the Soviet Union went down, Korolov had NOT solved the reentry problem, but convinced Nikita Khrushev to allow him to orbit the satellite so as to scare the U.S., which it did...at least until we had solved the reentry problem and had ICBM's of our own,.) If Iran is allowed to develop a nuke, they have the capability of reaching Israel with what they have! I guarranty what would happen then. I am not seriously advocating nuking Iran, but if we could locate their leaders, perhaps using bunkerbuster bombs on them and on their nuclear development facilities, it might enable the general Iranian population to stage a coup and bring back some form of democracy. Regardless, Biden and company MUST do something significant and soon, or we will have more casualties caused by Iran-backed agents! The WH spokespersons keep saying we don't want a war with Iran, but I wonder what would happen if Congress declared war on Iran (presuming that body could agree on anything...they can't even agree on a budget). In the meantime, the death toll on U.S. forces is five, not 3. Don't forget the 2 U.S. Navy Seals! RIP | | | 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 "...meantime, the death toll on U.S. forces is five, not 3. Don't forget the 2 U.S. Navy Seals!,,,,,," RIP i dont believe any of us want anything to do with genocide - that term is getting thrown around way too easily , put it back in your pocket and remember that the cases of genocide that have occurred were not by the isrealis or us or our allies , WE all know what that really is and your use of the term is out of line here , NO NUKES , but we need to make a devinite statement of fact here , that said - im not interested in killing iranians in retaliation for their government and proxies murderous acts , im interested in killing those that directed this and those that perpetrated it , i also believe we need to hit iran where it hurts , probably take out their nuke facilities , - if you kill off their government so be it and the iranians will be better off with a new government ...or they will have the chance to be , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Someone suggested we hit Kharg Island HARD, maybe wipe it clean. Why Kharg Island? Because that is where all their petroleum exports are sent to be taken by tanker. There are also other economic things that go through there., It would cripple their economy, and the "collateral damage" (personnel that work there) would be limited. It would be nice if the top dawgs at DOD and above were not standing/sitting around with their thumbs inserted while they figure out what to do that "won't start a wider war"! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Moses Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 18 hours ago, Chantry said: Nothing justifies genocide Fighting back effectively is not genocide, even if a response is 'bigger' than the provocation. We have actual examples of genocides. Please check your definitions. Btw I would also not use nukes. I would guess that was hyperbole from Trailrider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 minutes ago, Doc Moses said: Fighting back effectively is not genocide, even if a response is 'bigger' than the provocation. We have actual examples of genocides. Please check your definitions. Btw I would also not use nukes. I would guess that was hyperbole from Trailrider. I hope it was. I'm not sure what else you would call killing hundreds of thousands to millions of people with nukes. Mass murder seems to be inadequate. And I have no problem fighting back effectively and with a bigger response. I do have a problem with killing large numbers of non-combatants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Yeah, a thermonuclear hyperbole is worse than anything! Or as we used to say, back in the day, "Nuke the whales!" But seriously, folks, we need to do something significant besides saying, "Don't." We've got enough Tomahawk cruise missiles and drones to take out Kharg Island's facilities. Also, as one representative suggested, there are some Iranian combat ships that would make a nice oil slick. Though I think they could be made to serve as some new fish habitat reefs! Regardless, a significant response is needed to let Iran and the rest of our potential adversaries that we will not sit by with umbrellas like that guy who proclaimed, "Peace in our time!" back in the 1930's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Only thing I have to add is just saying "don't" didn't stop them nor saying it will stop future hits on US Bases. This isn't nor was the first time US Bases were targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 5:33 PM, Trailrider #896 said: it might enable the general Iranian population to stage a coup and bring back some form of democracy. | That’s what was hoped for in Iraq by getting rid of Saddam. And Libya isn’t doing any better without Kadafi. All we can do is make these regimes pay a hefty price for their behavior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: That’s what was hoped for in Iraq by getting rid of Saddam. And Libya isn’t doing any better without Kadafi. All we can do is make these regimes pay a hefty price for their behavior. There'll just be another Dictator in Waiting to take over. The people over there have been living that way for so long that they can't fathom anything else. And their religion supports it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Destabilize the country and start an internal civil war. That will keep them busy for a while and seriously weaken their motivation to pick fights outside their borders. Start with taking out their petroleum industry and then their power grid, water supply etc. I'm sure there are some important bridges that need bombing. Nothing like a hungry population with things deteriorating further to start the protests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Destabilize the country and start an internal civil war. That will keep them busy for a while and seriously weaken their motivation to pick fights outside their borders. Start with taking out their petroleum industry and then their power grid, water supply etc. I'm sure there are some important bridges that need bombing. Nothing like a hungry population with things deteriorating further to start the protests. True. But the protests will be against US. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: True. But the protests will be against US. They've been doing that for 40+ years. Give them something to complain about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 in the meantime , 16 countries have cut off UN relief funding because they were involved in the Israeli massacre - seems we have a lot of sorting out to do , terrorism cannot be allowed in a civil society , time to end it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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