Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 When Powers Booth was shot down after engaging with 5 Russian planes? He said “It was 5 to one. I got four”. Well here’s the real deal. Happened in Korea! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-pilot-to-receive-navy-cross-more-than-70-years-after-classified-dogfight-with-7-soviet-jets/ar-AAYPDCw?li=BBnb7Kz
Pat Riot Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 Nuts! It wouldn’t let me read it without the app. Imagine pulling off something like that and the whole thing is made “classified”. Damn!
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 This is most of them article On Nov. 18, 1952, Williams – flying his second mission of the day – took off from the USS Oriskany in a Grumman F95-5 Panther as part of a combat air patrol mission over the Sea of Japan, near the border with North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union. “We started to rendezvous with each other as we climbed out of the clouds,” Williams told Task & Purpose last year, “And that’s when we heard from the combat information center that there were inbound bogeys from the north.” Subscribe to Task & Purpose Today. Get the latest military news, entertainment, and gear in your inbox daily. Thousands of feet above Williams were the contrails of seven MiG-15s, one of the most advanced fighter jets in the sky at the time and one that outclassedWilliams’ Panther in speed, maneuverability, climb rate, and the weapons range. After the other three Panthers in Williams’ formation flew away – reporting mechanical malfunctions with their planes or otherwise disengaging with the enemy after – he was left flying alone against Soviet jets. “In the moment, I was a fighter pilot doing my job,” Williams told Task & Purpose. “I was only shooting what I had.” Climbing towards the Soviet jets, Williams fired at the last aircraft in the formation. He quickly found himself on the tail of a second jet and opened fire, bringing it down. With five Soviet jets remaining, Williams was now on the defensive, avoiding the diving attacks of the enemy jets and looking for chances where he could engage, all while keeping an eye on his fuel and ammunition levels. In more than 30 minutes of aerial combat, Williams shot down at least four MiGs, even though his own aircraft would eventually land with 263 holes in it. Nursing his plane back to the Navy task force, Williams considered bailing out, but told Task & Purpose, “I knew in that weather I wouldn’t have survived in the time it took to find me.” When he was debriefed, he was quickly made aware of the real implications of what he had just done. With the Cold War in full swing, he had shot down actual Soviet jets — and, unbeknownst to him during the flight, he had been directed towards them based on a classified intelligence collection program from the National Security Agency. The commander of Naval Forces Far East told him to never discuss the engagement with anyone, ever, and Williams was credited with a single confirmed kill while the rest were distributed among the other pilots who had avoided the engagement. While Williams proceeded along with his career — another 23 years that included 110 missions flown over Vietnam — the incident became a bit of Navy legend. With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, records began to emerge confirming Williams’ accomplishment. Since then, an effort has been made to recognize Williams’ feat and award him the Medal of Honor. The Navy Cross is awarded for “extraordinary heroism or distinguished service in the line of his profession, such heroism or service not being sufficient to justify the award of a medal of honor or a distinguished service medal."
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 Red Dawn… time for me to watch that again.
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 18, 2023 Author Posted January 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Red Dawn… time for me to watch that again. Yeah. I wonder if it’s popular in Ukraine? By the way, they did a remake a few years ago. It’s crap.
Rip Snorter Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 There was a pic early on of Wolverines! graffiti on a defunct Russian vehicle.
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: By the way, they did a remake a few years ago. It’s crap. Yeah, there’s no way to improve on Ben Johnson and Jennifer Gray!
Sedalia Dave Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Nuts! It wouldn’t let me read it without the app. Imagine pulling off something like that and the whole thing is made “classified”. Damn! Try this link to the original article. https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-cross-royce-williams-dogfight/
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Rip Snorter said: There was a pic early on of Wolverines! graffiti on a defunct Russian vehicle.
Chantry Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 1 vs 7 is impressive especially shooting all 7 down. It's even more impressive given Capt Williams was flying an inferior aircraft and did not see combat during WWII*. Capt Williams would have had to been a superb pilot to win that encounter. *I've come across numerous references that state that it was American pilots combat experience in WWII that was a major factor that led to success during air to air combat during the Korean War.
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 14 hours ago, Dantankerous said: A GREAT 80's movie! Loved and love it! They did a remake in 2012. I was not as good as the first one. The original Red Dawn is a classic IMHO! I have them both and I watched them both a couple of days ago when it was snowing like hell.
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 16 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Nuts! It wouldn’t let me read it without the app. Imagine pulling off something like that and the whole thing is made “classified”. Damn! Google his name. That's how I found https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2023-01-13/korean-war-navy-cross-royce-williams%3f_amp=true He lives in Escondido California.
Cypress Sun Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 15 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Yeah, there’s no way to improve on Ben Johnson and Jennifer Gray! Lea Thompson.
largo casey #19191 Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 They didn't name the other 3 pilots. Largo
Rip Snorter Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, largo casey #19191 said: They didn't name the other 3 pilots. Largo Amazing! Wonder why. Hope he "discussed it" with them back on base.
largo casey #19191 Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 Yeh & they credited them with kills.He only got credited with 1 kill Largo
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