Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I just picked up a new to me 10 ga. double with 18.5" barrels. I've never had a 10 ga. so I'm wondering if I decide to reload 10 ga. what would be a somewhat economical way to do it? I'm set up for 12 ga. with a MEC but that's it. Thank you John Browning ! Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) Well... most of us make a kit. My sizer die is some pipe reducers screwed together with the smallest one turned to the right size for sizing 10 gauge brass. I made a couple decappers for pistol primers and 209's, bought an arch punch to punch out cardboard wads, a 10g priming tool from eBay, some cut down 20g hulls for shot measures, a brass anvil I turned out for loading so the primer isn't sitting on something while I'm seating wads with my palm, modern adjustable black powder measure, and flask. I place the sizer die over the open jaws of a small bench vise, tap the case all the way in, and tap it out again with the dowel with the pipe cap on the end. The other dowel with the 12g shotshell over the end is for seating wads. I've got 4 ten gauges - the two pictured, and a couple of unmodified 1889 Remingtons. Edited April 12 by Three Foot Johnson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Sombra Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 @Tequila Shootershould be able to help. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee Snuffy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Pm me with your phone number and I can let you know what I learned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I bought a sack of brand new Remington 10 gauge hulls. I quickly found out that my Mec Jr. didn't have the capability of forming a crimp on those new hulls. I ended up going with a roll crimp from Midway USA. I also use Lee powder dippers for dispensing shot and black powder into the hulls. I do use the Mec Jr. 10 gauge dies for sizing and depriming and priming the hulls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Thanks to all ! I'll be back here tomorrow after work. Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) The easiest way for 10ga is to get primed hulls, nitro cards, fiber wads and overshot cards, BPI sells all of them. I haven’t seen plastic wads in 10ga available, that’s why I said about the fiber wads. You won’t be able to put a folded crimp on them unless you have a 10ga reloader, so that’s going to leave you 2 choices, roll crimp or glue, I’m shooting BP in mine and prefer a roll crimp. If you want full details PM me I’m happy to share. Edited April 12 by Tequila Shooter 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 If I were to get in to 10 gauge; this is my theoretical plan. 1. Obtain a Winchester 1901 2. Obtain 50 RMC all brass hulls and their reloader kit 3. Never look back. I figure if I'm gonna spend the money for the gun, the money for the special reloading supplies is a drop in the bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Thanks! Mulling all this over for now. Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee Snuffy Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I second Uriah action because that I exactly what I did except I got a side by side with 30" barrels (looking for a 36" barrel monster). Of course you got to go black!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 22 hours ago, Tennessee Snuffy said: I second Uriah action because that I exactly what I did except I got a side by side with 30" barrels (looking for a 36" barrel monster). Of course you got to go black!!!!!! Well, that's why I want to go with the Win 1901, it was made for smokeless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I have a gun cabinet full of antique 10g hammer doubles. I've not loaded and shot them in a couple of years. I did make a video on loading plastic hulls. It's a little short on details. You see my tools are all improvised. I have q MEC 600 JR in 10 gauge but found it wouldn't star crimp. I would only get a couple of loading out of plastic hulls. Black powder burned holes in them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/12/2022 at 12:29 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: If I were to get in to 10 gauge; this is my theoretical plan. 1. Obtain a Winchester 1901 2. Obtain 50 RMC all brass hulls and their reloader kit 3. Never look back. I figure if I'm gonna spend the money for the gun, the money for the special reloading supplies is a drop in the bucket. Sorry Pard, it won’t work. You see the ‘87/01 don’t like brass hulls, the front edge is too sharp, and if you were able to roll the edge it would make it difficult to reload them. Both my ‘87 and ‘01 do very well with plastic hulls and a roll crimp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 4 hours ago, Tequila Shooter said: Sorry Pard, it won’t work. You see the ‘87/01 don’t like brass hulls, the front edge is too sharp, and if you were able to roll the edge it would make it difficult to reload them. Both my ‘87 and ‘01 do very well with plastic hulls and a roll crimp. They work in my original Winchester 12 gauge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 57 minutes ago, Warden Callaway said: They work in my original Winchester 12 gauge. Warden good video and nice old gun. I’m not sure if it’s because it’s an original or that you don’t have the drop 2 mod that you can load brass. I’ve tried using them multiple times using different lengths and trying to slightly crimp the end of the shell but they never fed reliably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/11/2022 at 8:06 PM, Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 said: I just picked up a new to me 10 ga. double with 18.5" barrels. I've never had a 10 ga. so I'm wondering if I decide to reload 10 ga. what would be a somewhat economical way to do it? I'm set up for 12 ga. with a MEC but that's it. Thank you John Browning ! Horace There is no economical way to shoot a 10 gauge! While all of the above are good answers, if you plan on shooting the 10 gauge often, think about a conversion kit if your Mec is a 600 Jr. If not, think about a Mec Jr in 10 gauge. If you only plan on shooting the 10 gauge occasionally, then plastic hulls will work. I've found Remington hulls to work best so far, with some of mine being reload at least 6 or 7 times. I found the plastic of Federal hulls prevented me from getting a lot of reloads using BP. If you plan on shooting it a lot, start saving up for the brass hulls. The Rocky Mountain Cartridge hulls are expensive, but should last for a very long time. I've seen some shooters say they have reloaded them several thousand times. A 20 gauge hull makes a good dipper for BP, decide on your powder charge and then cut the 20 g hull to that length. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 I have loaded brass hulls using a dipper, 8 gauge nitro, fiber and overshot wads and 7-1/2 lead shot, glued with Duco Cement for 60 years of happy blasts of fire and smoke from wart hog black powder charges. I currently get my components from Buffalo Arms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Bought this kit just on the off chance my friend may sell me his 1901. 10 ga 2 7/8". Didn't come with the load card, but I have data from the older Lyman manuals. BB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 14 hours ago, Tequila Shooter said: Sorry Pard, it won’t work. You see the ‘87/01 don’t like brass hulls, the front edge is too sharp, and if you were able to roll the edge it would make it difficult to reload them. Both my ‘87 and ‘01 do very well with plastic hulls and a roll crimp. Magtech 12 gauge run just fine in my original 1887, and my Chiappa reproduction. (As do AA's shortened to 2-1/2" and roll crimped.) I do put a very slight taper in them that I'd not be able to do with RMC hulls, and I get that. I've got some RMC's 12s, but have not yet tried to run them through anything. We'll see what happens. Based on my experience with the 12's, I'll know what to do IF I ever bother go with something in 10 gauge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) No problems in original or repo 12 g with either shell. Do use just a slight crimp on the all brass shells. Only tried plastic in the 10 Edited April 15 by Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Difference may be that @Tequila Shooter has a 10 ga vice a 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 Well, I ordered a MEC Jr. today and should have it in a week approximately. Horace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) If you’re using either an 1887 or a 1901 with a drop 2 modification and your successfully using brass shells I’d love to see a picture of your shells. Other than tapering them so much that they couldn’t be reloaded I have never been able to get them to feed reliably enough for match use Edited April 15 by Tequila Shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 minutes ago, Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 said: Well, I ordered a MEC Jr. today and should have it in a week approximately. Horace 10 or 12 gauge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 10 gauge of course ! Horace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) Double. Omit Edited April 15 by H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 hours ago, Tequila Shooter said: If you’re using either an 1887 or a 1901 with a drop 2 modification and your successfully using brass shells I’d love to see a picture of your shells. I don't do drop 2. I like to be able to load up the magazine if I want too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulsey, SASS#11236 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 If I were looking to shoot a 10 ga double just for SASS and had the set up to load 12 ga, I would search the internet for the best deal for some 10-to 12 ga converters like Little Skeeter or others. Buy a half-dozen or so and use your 12 ga cowboy loads in the 10 ga. I have used the 12 to 4.10 and 20 to 28 converters and they worked just fine for light loads. A whole lot cheaper than assembling loading equipment and components. You might want to try two of them and see if it would work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 20 Author Share Posted April 20 Got my 10 gauge MEC today and this buttstock cover. Horace Order from Ballistic Products shipped today also. Horace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 Got my 10 gauge MEC Jr. and my order from BPI this week. Now looking for starting loads. Anyone using Winchester WST in 10 gauge? I've used it in 12 gauge so just wondering. Horace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 said: Got my 10 gauge MEC Jr. and my order from BPI this week. Now looking for starting loads. Anyone using Winchester WST in 10 gauge? I've used it in 12 gauge so just wondering. Horace Here is a load, 120 grains of either 1F or 2F black powder and 1 1/2 ozs of shot. Works rather well on knock down targets 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 Most likely, I'll be using smokeless. If I do go BP, I will get some brass . Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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