Jump to content
SASS Wire Forum

Titegroup in 45LC load data


Recommended Posts

Got the new supplies in for a bit of reloading and was curious if folks had load data for Titegroup for 45lc?  Loading a 200 grain Hi-Tek coated lead bullet.  Per Hodgdon this is what they recommend:

Bullet Weight
200 GR. CAST LRNFP
Manufacturer
Hodgdon
Powder
Titegroup
Bullet Diam.
.452"
C.O.L.
1.600"

Starting Loads

GRS. VEL.(FT/S) PRESS.
6.5 933 9,300 CUP

Maximum Loads

GRS. VEL.(FT/S) PRESS.
7.7 1050

12,700 CUP

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Finishing the rest of my question, for CAS I don't see any advantage in hitting even the starting load velocity (933 fps), so I was looking to drop the velocity down.  In looking online, I've seen others going down to 4 grains with good results.  Any idea how the velocity drops off on this powder?  I don't have a chrono, but was looking to load around 5.4 grains to get closer or under 800 fps.  Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Titegroup gets to REALLY smoking up the .45 Colt cases with a 200 grain bullet and light loads, because it does not seal the thick-walled .45 Colt case, and it has a high content of nitroglycerin in the powder, resulting in lots of soot.  Sorta like Bullseye does.  I used to shoot it a lot in .45 Colt with 200 grain cast bullets.  Had best accuracy and clean shooting with 5.5 grains TG.  It will give you a loud muzzle report which makes you think its making higher velocities than you will measure over a chrono.   Cases will be hot to touch, as the brass pickers will be glad to tell you.  Both of those come from that nitroglycerin in the mix.

 

A very good powder, but not something I stuck with long term.  GJ

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

 

PLUS ONE to Garrison Joe. 

 

I shot TightGroup for years before enlightenment.  I did however, switch to Cowboy 45 Special cases to get a good burn with light bullets.  Some soot regardless as OEM 45 Colt cases won't seal in anything.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks everyone for the responses, tells me the 5.4 grains should be a working load.  I'll dial it in on the next couple rounds of reloading.  Using it mostly because it's what I have and it's worked well for me in 45 acp and 40 S&W.  Once powder becomes available again, I'm interested in trying some various combos just to see the if one works better with the lightning rifle.  Any source on brass for Cowboy 45 Special by chance?  Starline is showing them back ordered atm, though they only took a week to send some 45 lc brass I ordered that was also showing back ordered......  Also, I'm using the same rounds in a lightning rifle, so another reason to stick with the 45 lc brass.  I'm assuming the cowboy special won't work in the lightning.

Link to post
Share on other sites

+1 to both Garrison Joe and Colorado Coffinmaker, for my 45 COLT* rifle loads I switched to RedDot, @ around 800 fps from 6.0 grains.  For my 45 COLT* pistols I also switched to Cowboy45Special and use Clays as my powder.  

 

* Proper name of the cartridge as introduced by Colt and UMC for the US Army in their "Peacemaker" revolver in 1873.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

I used 5.4 grs of Tite-Group in .44-40 with a 200 grain bullet. I now use 3.6 grs in a 125 .38 bullet. I like Tite-Group.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I shot a couple lbs of TiteGroup with 250 gr bullets in my rifle and 45 Schofield cases in my revolvers.  It performed well, was sootier than Unique.

 

Now I'm using Shooters World Clean Shot in both and like it.  Still dirty with light loads in 45, but it cleans up easily.  It doesn't bother me.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

...it has a high content of nitroglycerin in the powder, resulting in lots of soot.  Sorta like Bullseye does. 
...
Cases will be hot to touch, as the brass pickers will be glad to tell you.  Both of those come from that nitroglycerin in the mix.

Does this mean a single base powder that does not contain nitroglycerin generates less soot?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Not a lot of single base pistol/shotgun powders still left.  Most use some nitroglycerin content (up to 40%) to speed up the burn rates and supply more energy in a light charge.   So, not using NG is not the cure-all for a clean burning powder, but it helps.   Other additives apparently can compensate for some NG content, as used in some of the recent powders that are designed to have clean burns.   (Powder companies don't tell the general public a lot about their chemical magic - a lot of what is known comes from MSDS sheet disclosures required by OSHA)

 

good luck, GJ

Edited by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708
Link to post
Share on other sites

When I talked to the folks at Starline I was told on a lot of the less popular cases they have for sale they will run in batches when the order totals get high enough. This is so they do not have huge inventories in storage.

kR

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Kid Rich said:

When I talked to the folks at Starline I was told on a lot of the less popular cases they have for sale they will run in batches when the order totals get high enough. This is so they do not have huge inventories in storage.

kR

Kid---Looks like that post somehow got on the wrong thread. Say Hi to Shirttail and give both of you a hug!!!

 

EH

Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Kid---Looks like that post somehow got on the wrong thread. Say Hi to Shirttail and give both of you a hug!!!

 

EH

Not really Eyesa, I was referring to OP's third post when he asked about availability of CS brass.

 I'll tell SB you said HI and hugs.

kR

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Kid Rich said:

Not really Eyesa, I was referring to OP's third post when he asked about availability of CS brass.

 I'll tell SB you said HI and hugs.

kR

Sorry my brain phart, hope to see ya this summer.

Link to post
Share on other sites

No, the Special rounds won't work in your Lightning, most like to be loaded long. You might consider Schofield brass for your pistol loads. Shorter case is more efficient and you can use lighter bullets for pistol than the rifle. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Go West, thanks for the reply.  I'm looking forward to putting some rounds through the lightning.  When I asked in a separate post about what the lightning liked to shoot, I had another recommendation from John Boy recommending "Reloads 1.55 to 1.57 chamber better than COAL 1.60", so I loaded some up with a case length set at 1.56.  I wonder how much it depends on which version of the lightning?  The one I just picked up is an AWA model fwiw.  Looking forward to getting familiar with it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

When I first started I loaded Titegroup in 45s ... 

For me ... 5gr (w/ a 200gr Bear Creek bullet) went 900fps out of my 20 inch 92 and  725fps out of my 4 3/4 inch Cattleman revolvers. 

 

People used to run from the stages holding their ears ... screaming ... "there shooting real bullets in there!!" ... (as their ear protection was useless) ... s2.gif.217f5d708f389db3d4525d9362c6cace.gif 

Ultimately I got down to 4.5gr and that got down to 800fps out of the 20 inch carbine (don't have data on the revolvers ... probably didn't measure them).

Then ... I moved to a different powder.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

Some years ago I loaded lots of 200gr .45 Colts with 5.5 gr of TG.   This load was listed in both the Laser-Cast reloading manual and by Hodgdon, with velocity listed as ~743fps.  The report was loud as mentioned and the recoil impulse was more noticeable than Clays for example, which I use now.  Also, the screws on my pistols loosened more.

Link to post
Share on other sites

OP,
I looked at 45C single-base loads, as Garrison Joe points out, there are not many powders in this group.
Note that Trail Boss is a single base powder, as is the now-discontinued IMR Red.


231
244
572
IMR 4227
IMR Red
IMR Target
PB
SR 4756
SR 7625
Trail Boss

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Umm, I KNOW that Win 572 is a double base powder, with 36% nitroglycerin.

https://www.handloadermagazine.com/propellant-profiles-0

 

Believe Win 231 is also double base.  Know 244 is double base.  The MSDS that includes 231 has several powders in it, many are double base.  Most flattened ball powders are double base.  It's modern version, Win 244 has 37% nitroglycerin.     Just about guaranteed that 231/HP-38 is double base, too.

https://www.handloadermagazine.com/propellant-profiles-9

 

PB
SR 4756
SR 7625

are long out of production, so hardly worth mentioning them.  No one can get a new can of any of them.

 

I'd bet Red and Target are/were double base.  But the factory info is VERY skimpy on their makeup.  And they are strongly rumored to have arrived at end-of-production.

 

good luck, GJ

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.