Cholla Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I had someone tell me that the '66 can have a failure to fire if you pull the trigger before the lever is all the way home. He said it would not have an out of battery ignition, just the need to cock the hammer. I have read elsewhere that pulling the trigger before the lever is up can cause an out of battery firing, which is why the lever safety was added on the '73. Which is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 The second statement is true. On a 66' you can absolutely pull the trigger before the bolt closes and fire a round. I've done it three times and was fortunate that nothing was bent and no one was hurt. I no longer own a 66' and won't unless I can figure out a way to add a trigger safety. My 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: The second statement is true. On a 66' you can absolutely pull the trigger before the bolt closes and fire a round. I've done it three times and was fortunate that nothing was bent and no one was hurt. I no longer own a 66' and won't unless I can figure out a way to add a trigger safety. My 2 cents. 3 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: The second statement is true. On a 66' you can absolutely pull the trigger before the bolt closes and fire a round. I've done it three times and was fortunate that nothing was bent and no one was hurt. I no longer own a 66' and won't unless I can figure out a way to add a trigger safety. My 2 cents. I did the same, but I did bend the lever. I got rid of the '66 after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Texas jack Black SASS#9362 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 That is why I run it light ,so I can run it fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Tyrel Cody said: The second statement is true. On a 66' you can absolutely pull the trigger before the bolt closes and fire a round. I've done it three times and was fortunate that nothing was bent and no one was hurt. I no longer own a 66' and won't unless I can figure out a way to add a trigger safety. My 2 cents. Get an early production Navy Arms one. They had the lever safety. See? Oddly, when I bought this gun, it had been removed. Had some other issues. I had the while thing "returned" to factory specs. Or as close as practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I would advise not using this person for advice in the future. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Both are true... you can have a failure to fire OR an out of battery discharge. I've had both..... from my experience a failure to fire is fairly common... mostly if I'm trying to go "Real Fast" and my trigger finger gets ahead of my lever fingers. An out of battery, for me anyway, is pretty rare... in 20 years of CAS I've had maybe 2 or 3 And I own several 66's both Early with, and Later without And one Miroku/Winchester 66 without the safety. I also have '73's Real & Replicas some with & some without safety's Personally I prefer a '66 to a '73 And with the loads I use an out of battery discharge is no big deal .... Wait a minute... I take that last statement back... I did have an Out of Battery with a Full House Black Powder Load ONCE ..... and it bent the lever But with my normal mouse fart loads its no big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Yes its true . Thee 66 is Sexier then the 73 Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Silver Sam, SASS #34718L said: Both are true... you can have a failure to fire OR an out of battery discharge. I've had both..... from my experience a failure to fire is fairly common... mostly if I'm trying to go "Real Fast" and my trigger finger gets ahead of my lever fingers. An out of battery, for me anyway, is pretty rare... in 20 years of CAS I've had maybe 2 or 3 And I own several 66's both Early with, and Later without And one Miroku/Winchester 66 without the safety. I also have '73's Real & Replicas some with & some without safety's Personally I prefer a '66 to a '73 And with the loads I use an out of battery discharge is no big deal .... Wait a minute... I take that last statement back... I did have an Out of Battery with a Full House Black Powder Load ONCE ..... and it bent the lever But with my normal mouse fart loads its no big deal Sorry, but to say that any OBD is no big deal is rather irresponsible. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I would advise not using this person for advice in the future. Phantom Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Please elaborate. Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Please elaborate. Who's advice are you saying not to follow, and what is wrong with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 I would think he is talking about the person who said you couldn't have a OBD with a '66. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Who's advice are you saying not to follow, and what is wrong with it? See above... And the obvious is what's wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: See above... And the obvious is what's wrong with it. Ah. Okay. Makes sense. The lack of a quote confuzzled me. I was not sure what you were referring to. But now that I do, I agree with your assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Be had one OOB with my 66. I like it more, and think I shoot it a tad faster (which ain’t all that fast!!!) but now I shoot my 73 most of the time, the 66 is my back up gun. I do try to shoot it st least one stage per match. Both have more or less same SS kit and Springs, so not a huge difference. But having the one OOB was enough for me. Nothing broken or injured, but that blast of hot gas in my face was an attention getter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Phantom... You're too much of a NewBee to remember the Old Timer who claimed he could catch one of my "Mouse Farts" as it came out of the barrel........... Now That was Irresponsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 In a ‘66 the trigger can be pulled and the hammer will fall any time during the cycle, both closing and opening the action. For the firing pin to strike the primer, the case must be against the bolt face and held there by the extractor. This happens in the final 1/4” or so closing the action. So you can get an OOB discharge any time after the cartridge is against the bolt face and the hammer falls. Including late trigger pulls when opening the action. So the guy who told you that if you pulled the trigger early, you would not get an OOB discharge was only partially right. You MIGHT not get an OOB DISCHARGE and IF you don’t, then recock the hammer and try the round again. (With the action fully closed of course.) There are other things that can cause an OOB discharge such as a lodged bullet that prevents the next round from fully chambering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 4:07 PM, Cholla said: I had someone tell me that the '66 can have a failure to fire if you pull the trigger before the lever is all the way home. He said it would not have an out of battery ignition, just the need to cock the hammer. I have read elsewhere that pulling the trigger before the lever is up can cause an out of battery firing, which is why the lever safety was added on the '73. Which is true? Both…...are true. It depends on when you pulled the trigger, how much hammer spring you have and what primers you are using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 My 1866 is mostly a safe queen, and when I shoot it I'm careful not to bang it up or scratch it. Therefore for me it's not an issue. But when I run a lever gun fast it's always my '73. Besides the safety I simply feel they can take more abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If your '66 is like mine, then pulling the trigger early will probably not fire the cartridge unless the extractor has already captured the cartridge. On mine the extractor doesn't "go over the top" until the cartridge is seated. Not saying it can't happen, but it has never happened to me in the 15 years I have been shooting '66's/Henry's. And my club likes stages with Dump targets where I go as fast as I can. But then I shoot BP so maybe that slows me down just enough to not have OOB incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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