Results of Gun Care Product Evaluation

[John Boy]

It's long but the testing is very informative ...

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=546316

 

PS: Even my favorite Eezox was not the winner!

[Seven Mile Tom]

Very good information. Thanks

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Great post and information JB! 

Was interesting to see how well WD-40 Specialist performed. Gonna pick some up.

One thing not covered in the testing, was if the various products become 'dry' to the touch after application like Eezox does.

OLG

[Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L]

my hat is off to the guy that did this test.  

 

Glad it was posted

[Jefro, SASS#69420]

They left out one of the best "Bull Frog" the original salt water tested rust blocker, lubricant and cleaner. Tested in Alaska and by the Navy and Coast Guard. Been using their products for years here on the Carolina coast. Bull Frog Rusthunter Firearm Cleaner and Bull Frog Lubricant with Rust Blocker for every day use, Emitter Shield for the safe, tackle and tool box. Bull Frog Electronic Cleaner on all our heavy equipment and boats......git ya some yull like it

http://www.bull-frog.com/products/

http://www.bull-frog.com/publications/articles.php

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

1 hour ago, Jefro, SASS#69420 said:

They left out one of the best "Bull Frog" the original salt water tested rust blocker, lubricant and cleaner. Tested in Alaska and by the Navy and Coast Guard. Been using their products for years here on the Carolina coast. Bull Frog Rusthunter Firearm Cleaner and Bull Frog Lubricant with Rust Blocker for every day use, Emitter Shield for the safe, tackle and tool box. Bull Frog Electronic Cleaner on all our heavy equipment and boats......git ya some yull like it

http://www.bull-frog.com/products/

http://www.bull-frog.com/publications/articles.php

I never heard of it. Does sound interesting. When did it come out?

Would like to see a MSDS on it.

OLG

[Jefro, SASS#69420]

25 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

I never heard of it. Does sound interesting. When did it come out?

Would like to see a MSDS on it.

OLG

Howdy OLG, I've been using it about 10+ years. It's used in shrink wrap for cars, bikes, boats....Also a lota stuff is treated with it for packaging parts, the Hornady powder drum is wrapped in what looks about like brown paper treated with it, I think it goes under the Cortex brand but it's the same stuff. Dies and shell plates come with a little 1"x1" cardboard piece in the box treated with it, no more need for camisol or heavy bearing grease on all kinds of parts. One other product that I really like for moving parts like base pins or 1911 slide is Gun Butter, not bore butter Watch Todd Jarret run 1000 rounds as fast as he can I was glad to see how well Ballistol did on this fellers tests, except the smell part he didn't like

http://www.gunbutter.com/

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Does sound interesting for sure-Will look into it.

I will admit, that rust is not a real concern here in the Mojave.

How well doe BF work as a lube etc?

OLG

[Sedalia Dave]

8 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Great post and information JB! 

Was interesting to see how well WD-40 Specialist performed. Gonna pick some up.

One thing not covered in the testing, was if the various products become 'dry' to the touch after application like Eezox does.

OLG

I use WD-40 Specialist on the outside of my dies  and exposed metal on all my reloading equipment to prevent flash rust when they are not being used for extended periods of time. 

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

I use Hornady One Shot when I go to EOT but after reading this I may use it all the time.

 

Randy

[Lead Friend, SASS #53635]

Hornady One Shot is my go to and has been for a full season. Despite what the reviewer says I find it hardly smells at all which is why I can use it in my basement and my wife doesn’t notice. It’s pretty remarkable stuff.

[Smokewagon Forty-Five]

WD-40 is a penetrating oil and it can/will foul your ammo if it comes in contact, plus it will turn to a sticky varnish if left in hard to clean areas and will pick up dust and lint. It is not a gun oil!

[Chili Ron]

Howdy,

Thanks so much for this very valuable post.

I wish we had more like this one.

Best

CR

 

HEY___DID ANYONE ELSE notice the date on the test???????

2014.......Hmmmmmm???

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by Chili Ron

[John Boy]

Bull Frog MSDS ... http://www.bull-frog.com/products/msds/elec_cleaner.php

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

20 minutes ago, John Boy said:

Bull Frog MSDS ... http://www.bull-frog.com/products/msds/elec_cleaner.php

Why am I not surprised to see mineral spirits as the main item.

BTW: WD-40 And WD-40 Specialist, are not the same. 

OLG

[Sedalia Dave]

10 hours ago, Smokewagon Forty-Five said:

WD-40 is a penetrating oil and it can/will foul your ammo if it comes in contact, plus it will turn to a sticky varnish if left in hard to clean areas and will pick up dust and lint. It is not a gun oil!

 

1 minute ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

BTW: WD-40 And WD-40 Specialist, are not the same. 

OLG

 

+100

 

WD-40 Specialist is marked and sold as a corrosion inhibitor and not a lubricant.

[John Henry Quick]

Looks like an excellent study!  I think I am sold on One Shot for all non-BP uses. 

 

I would caution people about Frog Lube:  While it seems to have all of the properties one would want and it's even BP compatible, I found out the hard way that it will harden into a wax-like substance that ruined my day.  I have been using Ballistol on flintlocks for at least 20 years and when I started shooting C&B a couple of years ago, I would snap caps before loading my gear for a match and never had a problem with ignition. 

 

I tried Frog Lube on an evil black rifle and it seemed to work great.  I figured I'd try it with my Navy's, so I cleaned up after a match, lubed them with Frog Lube, put them away in the safe and then the evening before the next match, I snapped caps like normal to be sure they were clear and packed up for the match.  When my turn came at stage one, I had 3 misfires with one gun and four with the other.  It was embarrassing as all get out and I learned a valuable lesson about physically clearing the vents and not simply trusting snapping caps to do the job.  However, what's relevant here is that when I pushed the Frog Lube out of the vents, it had formed a hard wax that a Remington #10 couldn't push out. 

 

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be used; simply be aware of what it can do if it collects and hardens.

 

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

This thread, should be a forever 'sticky'................

OLG

[hearsedriver]

I was dissapointed to see the results of the Breakfree CLP. I'll have to try the WD-40 Specialist for rust prevention. One lubricant that was left out that I use and love is Lucas Gun Oil. Its a synthetic that can be found at most auto parts stores. Really slick stuff.

[Henry T Harrison]

Simple Green because if it's good enough for Bob Dunlap it's good enough for me

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

2 hours ago, John Boy said:

Bull Frog MSDS ... http://www.bull-frog.com/products/msds/elec_cleaner.php

I think that is just for the contact cleaner??

"Bullfrog Electronic Cleaner Aerosol 92381"

OLG

[John Boy]

OK Grits - here's the other one for the Cleaner/Degreaser ... but it doesn't say squat what's in it

http://www.bull-frog.com/products/msds/clean_degrease.php

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

JB-My wife who has a Masters in Industrial Safety, says that is not a legal MSDS. 

Respectfully,

OLG

[Pat Riot]

John Boy, thank you for posting this.

 

Like Hearsedriver I was surprised on CLP Break Free's status. I love that stuff. 

Looks like I will be checking out Hornady One Shot. I have never tried this one.

[Shooting Bull]

8 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

This thread, should be a forever 'sticky'................

OLG

 

You want to take a lubricants thread and make it sticky?  What's wrong with you???  Never mind, the time it would take to answer that would qualify me for El Patron Duelist. 

[John Henry Quick]

4 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

John Boy, thank you for posting this.

 

Like Hearsedriver I was surprised on CLP Break Free's status. I love that stuff. 

Looks like I will be checking out Hornady One Shot. I have never tried this one.

 

Same here!  We used to lube our M16-A1's with LSA and they would immediately rust - it may have been a good lube, but it had no preservation properties whatsoever..  Not long before they upgraded us to the M16-A2, they started issuing us CLP and I thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.  I still like the stuff, but I'm going to switch to One Shot - I'm already using One Shot Case Lube, so why not? 

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

2 minutes ago, Shooting Bull said:

 

You want to take a lubricants thread and make it sticky?  What's wrong with you???  Never mind, the time it would take to answer that would qualify me for El Patron Duelist. 

 

YOU, slip and fall way to much to be a 'sticky'. 

You only want to shoot Duelist so you can hold on to somedangthing with the other hand-

OLG

 

[Shooting Bull]

12 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

YOU, slip and fall way to much to be a 'sticky'. 

You only want to shoot Duelist so you can hold on to somedangthing with the other hand-

OLG

 

 

Considering my track record, can you blame me?

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

1 hour ago, Shooting Bull said:

 

Considering my track record, can you blame me?

 

I was told, It was SASS mandated-

OLG

[Sedalia Dave]

1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

John Boy, thank you for posting this.

 

Like Hearsedriver I was surprised on CLP Break Free's status. I love that stuff. 

Looks like I will be checking out Hornady One Shot. I have never tried this one.

 

You will not be disappointed in Hornady One Shot. Just remember to shake the can well before using it.

I use their gun lube on all my smokeless only firearms and on all my safe queens. The only thing I don't use it on is my AR as it requires a heavier lube.

 

I have carbide dies and I use their case lube on all my cases. Sure makes it a lot easier on my elbow when resizing cases. Don't have to wipe it off afterwards either.

 

BTW it comes in two different size aresol cans. 5 and 10 oz.  Buy the 10 oz it is more economical.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Sedalia Dave

[Cemetery]

3 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

 

Looks like I will be checking out Hornady One Shot. I have never tried this one.

 

Same here, but more so because they refuse to do busy with NYS Government agencies due to Gov Cuomo's remarks about banks in NYS to stop working with the firearms industry, but that's a subject for another thread.

[Cemetery]

11 hours ago, John Henry Quick said:

Looks like an excellent study!  I think I am sold on One Shot for all non-BP uses. 

 

I would caution people about Frog Lube:  While it seems to have all of the properties one would want and it's even BP compatible, I found out the hard way that it will harden into a wax-like substance that ruined my day.  I have been using Ballistol on flintlocks for at least 20 years and when I started shooting C&B a couple of years ago, I would snap caps before loading my gear for a match and never had a problem with ignition. 

 

I tried Frog Lube on an evil black rifle and it seemed to work great.  I figured I'd try it with my Navy's, so I cleaned up after a match, lubed them with Frog Lube, put them away in the safe and then the evening before the next match, I snapped caps like normal to be sure they were clear and packed up for the match.  When my turn came at stage one, I had 3 misfires with one gun and four with the other.  It was embarrassing as all get out and I learned a valuable lesson about physically clearing the vents and not simply trusting snapping caps to do the job.  However, what's relevant here is that when I pushed the Frog Lube out of the vents, it had formed a hard wax that a Remington #10 couldn't push out. 

 

I'm not saying that it shouldn't be used; simply be aware of what it can do if it collects and hardens.

 

 

This is pretty much why I tend to leave my chambers dry, though I used to swab them down with Eezox after the season ends, but now that Eezox has been knock off the pedestal, I might be switching to something else.

[Lunger Dan]

While I appreciate the work this gentleman did, I'm going to stick with cleaning with Hoppes #9 , kroil and Ballistol; and Ballistol as a protectant/lube (sometimes white lithium grease for my Swiss and AK actions)   Mostly because (except for AK) I still believe in Ballistol for my wood and leather and the ability to mix it with water and use it as a flush directly after shooting corrosive ammo.
Secondly, price....I can buy a heck of alot of Hoppes and Ballistol , for what they want for 4oz of frog lube.
If I go out in harsh environment with my guns, I clean immediately..in fact, I clean after each range time (except for AK)...I clean/give a wipe down each month if not used also....and I don't worry about about Ballistol doing harm to my almost 100 year old wood (which was probably cleaned with Ballistol since WW1 or 2)
I'm not a Navy Seal emerging from the shore break storming a sandy beach, hiding up to my eyes in a mangrove swamp or doing a HALO into enemy territory

 

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Years ago Hoppes was 'it'. The EPA neutered it, with the removal of Benzine.

Ballistol is very close to WD-40 in many ways. They are both mineral oil(white oil)based.

Ballistol-

Ingredients[edit]

(according to a specification from December 2002)

• pharmaceutical white oil: CAS RN 8042-47-5
• Oleic acid: CAS RN 112-80-1
• C-5 alcohols: CAS RN 78-83-1; CAS RN 137-32-6; CAS RN 100-51-6
• different essential oils to perfume Ballistol

OLG

 

[John Henry Quick]

52 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Years ago Hoppes was 'it'. The EPA neutered it, with the removal of Benzine.

Ballistol is very close to WD-40 in many ways. They are both mineral oil(white oil)based.

Ballistol-

Ingredients[edit]

(according to a specification from December 2002)

• pharmaceutical white oil: CAS RN 8042-47-5
• Oleic acid: CAS RN 112-80-1
• C-5 alcohols: CAS RN 78-83-1; CAS RN 137-32-6; CAS RN 100-51-6
• different essential oils to perfume Ballistol

OLG

 

 

 

I remember years ago hearing that it was "food grade" oil.  I wonder if anyone here might be willing to down a cup of it and let us know how it goes?