Nota John, SASS #51089L Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Hello Pards, Have been thinking to use an H&R.32 S&W break style pocket pistol that was my grandfather's. I understand that one should not use smokeless loads in these pistols. Being lazy, what is the best BP sub for easy cleanup? Please advise. Thanks in advance. Nots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Triple 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Triple 7 is a little friskier than BP. About 15% from what I've read. I like APP in my pocket pistols. Plenty if smoke, can use any bullet lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 When was this gun made? Are you sure it's BP only? If it is-Use REAL BP in 3F, fill the case so when you seat the bullet you compress the powder 1/32-1/16 of an inch. Firm crimp. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 APP will allow you to use smokeless lube bullets and cleans up with just hot water. Fill the case with FFFg as per the manufacturers directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Triple 7 is a little friskier than BP. About 15% from what I've read. I like APP in my pocket pistols. Plenty if smoke, can use any bullet lube. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Here I'm shooting an old Iver Johnson 38 S&W loaded with BlackMZ. Since the gun was a smokless version of the gun I went to loads with Unique published in the Lyman manual. The BlackMZ loads tended to cause the cylinder to bind up after a couple of cylinders full were fired. Being double action only, that wasn't working too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 APP for all the reasons stated above & more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Hello Pards, Have been thinking to use an H&R.32 S&W break style pocket pistol that was my grandfather's. I understand that one should not use smokeless loads in these pistols. Being lazy, what is the best BP sub for easy cleanup? Please advise. Thanks in advance. Nots Hopefully someone will be able to confirm but I believe that small of a caliber can be shot with smokeless rounds. I recently picked one up in 38 S&W and shot it with smokeless rounds. I don't know 32, but 38 S&W rounds are pretty low pressure. It's a really neat gun isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nota John, SASS #51089L Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 When was this gun made? Are you sure it's BP only? If it is-Use REAL BP in 3F, fill the case so when you seat the bullet you compress the powder 1/32-1/16 of an inch. Firm crimp. OLG 3 dates on top of barrel rib; Oct .4"87 Apr.2"95 Apr 7"96 . Don't know if BP or Smokeless version. Have shot it many years ago with Winchester smokeless loads, 20 rounds, no damage, but I understand one should only use BP loads. Please advise. Thanks Nota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Unfortunately, the records for pre WW2 H&R's are lost. So trying to ID what year it was made is all but impossible. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Trailboss loads, especially on the low end, work well for me in my 32. Here is a link to other data. http://www.reloadammo.com/32sw.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 They still make 32 factory rounds . In smokeless . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jim Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I have an H&R in .38S&W I only shoot ffg in it now. Works fine. When I first got it, I used factory cartridges. After shooting it for several months, something inside broke. Don't know what caused it or what broke, but when I got it back, I've used nothing but BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Here I'm shooting an old Iver Johnson 38 S&W loaded with BlackMZ. Since the gun was a smokless version of the gun I went to loads with Unique published in the Lyman manual. The BlackMZ loads tended to cause the cylinder to bind up after a couple of cylinders full were fired. Being double action only, that wasn't working too well. I think I learned something else here..... How much lead do you recover from them tires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I think I learned something else here..... How much lead do you recover from them tires? I'd say greater than 50%. The tires are big skidster tires. A plate is fasten to back. Railroad tie plate is suspended in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 If it has a April 96 pat stamp on it, then you know it was made at least in 96 or later. But that doesn't mean it is proofed for smokeless. H&R made the switch in 1905 and Iver Johnson in 1909. Colt's factory guarantee for their SAA didn't start for smokeless until 1900, and SW about the same time. Many guns made from the late 1880s were made of a mild steel (transitional), but they were not proofed for smokeless. The 1893 Winchester was recalled and replaced with the 1897 mainly because the 1893 was only proofed for BP use. If you want to be safe... don't shoot any Smokeless powder in the early guns, especially the break tops. The later breaktops are OK for a light charge of something like Unique, but I wouldn't shoot a fast powder in them. JMHO Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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