Peachey Carnehan Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Then again shooting Ruger pistols, an Italian rifle, a Chinese shotgun, and wearing rolled up sleeved striped banded collar shirts with a Gus hats and a pair of Levi's 550s with Dan Post boots, canted holsters designed specifically for speed, and a shotgun belt doubling as a bra? Yeah that's straight out of 1884 alright. Sarcasm aside, I like to see authentic costumes. With the myriad of occupations and nationalities in the 1865-1899 time frame, and the massive geographic area of the 'Old West', I'd opt for originality, I think it's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpman Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 NEVER ON A WINDY DAY!!! I DON"T WANNA KNOW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Like it or not Kilts are period. If you don't like it don't wear one, but don't whine about it. I have shot several state matches and a regional while wearing one. I won the North and South Dakota State SASS match overall, a couple of years back and shot the entire match in a Kilt. Some period photos of Kilts in the USA in the 19th century: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f99/kilts-19th-century-usa-68811/ TJT Aye, an a fine figure you and JP cast as connoisseurs of fine scotch whiskey as well! CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Mushman Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Then again shooting Ruger pistols, an Italian rifle, a Chinese shotgun, and wearing rolled up sleeved striped banded collar shirts with a Gus hats and a pair of Levi's 550s with Dan Post boots, canted holsters designed specifically for speed, and a shotgun belt doubling as a bra? Yeah that's straight out of 1884 alright. Sarcasm aside, I like to see authentic costumes. With the myriad of occupations and nationalities in the 1865-1899 time frame, and the massive geographic area of the 'Old West', I'd opt for originality, I think it's cool. Well said. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bane, SASS 13557 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 After the unfortunate dust-up at Culloden Moor, Clan McBane got a FREE RIDE to the New World, sans the plaid and the claymore, as Intentures (why I am in favor of reparations for slavery! LOL!). Sadly, our Masters met with untimely and unnatural deaths, and since then Clan McBane has had a limited sense of humor. However, the Clan tartan appears to have been designed by a blind drunk Irishman! Wolf Bane SASS13557 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Annie SASS #37063 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Mr. Pettifogger, in regards to "That doesn't make it appropriate attire for a SASS match." I recall being at a Minnesota State Championship a few years back. Cat Ballou was announcing the winners of the costume contest at the awards banquet. J. P. won one of the categories, I think it was the Military Uniform Category but might be wrong about that. I do remember that Cat was very impressed with this cowboy's attire. Are there any Minnesotans who were there and remember that? Apparently Cat thought it was appropriate. Also on Page 5 of the February 2013 Chronicle there is a picture of Dominator SASS 62912. It reads he "really gets into character at the Florida State Championship, The Siege at St. Augustine, held this January. His costume is that of a Spanish soldier from the 16th Century, complete with sword. However, he did wear a brace of sixguns when he competed in the match in the Cowboy Category." That's not even the correct century. Real nice picture of him, though, and he looks great. So -- We don't believe what we read in the Chronicle and we don' listen to what Cat says?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curley Fryes Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 In a heavy Scottish accent. "They can take our lives, but they can't take our freedom!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Chute Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 ....Clan McBane has had a limited sense of humor. However, the Clan tartan appears to have been designed by a blind drunk Irishman! Wolf Bane SASS13557 Hey!!! Hey!!! Hey!!! Wellllll......ok, you may be right. EC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ain't nothing can be done about it..... I guess. I've never liked it. If you don't want to play Cowboy, then don't... the Scottish Games would be a good place. This this is no different than the Baseball team uniforms, Hawaiian shirts, shorts, a British Soldier from India, or a Big Game Hunter ..... bla, bla, bla. The dress code has NEVER been enforced the way it was intended... I realized that when I watched a girl shoot in a Speedo Bathing suit, the Blues Brothers win the Costume contest, shooter dressed like a Space Man and on and on and on... all at EOT no less! So... looking at it from that view point.. I guess that a Kilt is not so bad after all. But IMO.. they all seem to forget that: THIS IS COWBOY ACTION SHOOTING. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curley Fryes Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm pretty sure that the Scottish character Actor Bernard Fox (a.k.a. Dr. Bombay on "Bewitched") at the beginning of Big Jake is wearing a kilt. If it's in a John Wayne movie, I'd say you're good to go! Really? Since when is Hollywood period correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Yup, I've seen kilts at regional matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlietwogunz Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Wouldnt it be fun to have a "Scotsman" category and sr. Scotsman of course on the club level. All who can trace ancestors to a recognized klan could wear the appeopriate kilt with accoutrements. That would liven things up ! I am of the Gregor klan the "Children of the Mist" (Mc or Mac means klan). Anyother other Gregors out there plase give me a shout. Btw we have full blown Highland Games Scottish Heritage Festival in Minden La. Area in the spring. It is worth the trip ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taquila Tab, Sass #25048 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm pretty sure that the Scottish character Actor Bernard Fox (a.k.a. Dr. Bombay on "Bewitched") at the beginning of Big Jake is wearing a kilt. If it's in a John Wayne movie, I'd say you're good to go! Yes, he was in the movie but he was a sheep herder. He wasn't a cowboy. The title of this sport is COWBOY action shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hmmmm, don't see anything in the rule books that specifies costumes have to be "cowboy". As a matter of fact, Handbook #1 pretty much gives carte blanche NOT to be cowboy: The truly unique aspect of Cowboy Action Shooting™ is the requirement placed on authentic period or western screen dress. Each participant is required to adopt a shooting alias appropriate to a character or profession of the late 19th century, or a Hollywood western star, and develop a costume accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Jackson Turner Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Groundskeeper Willie said it best: "Now, the kilt was only for day-to-day wear. In battle, we donned a full-length ball gown covered in sequins. The idea was to blind your opponent with luxury!" Of course, the Scots wore kilts for centuries before they helped populate America. The kilt was for everyday wear. Ergo; kilts were in the old west. Cheers, FJT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachey Carnehan Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I dunno what it is about this topic but I find this one of the more fascinating ones to come up occasionally on the Wire. Usually it's the refrain of 'It's *cowboy* action shooting.' Well by definition, then we couldn't dress like John Wayne as Captain Brittles from She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. He's a soldier, not a cowboy. We couldn't do up a Texas Ranger or a US Marshal like Rooster Cogburn or Wyatt Earp, they're lawmen not cowboys. No Tom Horn impressions, he was a shootist, not a cowboy. No Billy the Kid, he was an outlaw, not a cowboy. Doc Holliday was a dentist and gambler, not a cowboy. No saloon girls or Victorian ladies, cause they're not cowboys. No one dressed in city duds emulating JP Morgan, they were city folk or captains of industry, not cowboys. Harry Flashman? No, he was a soldier and fictional, not a cowboy. http://www.literary-liaisons.com/article007.html Those guys? Nah, they're not cowboy enough. Joseph Finch, Earl of Aylesford. He moved to Big Spring, Texas in 1883. http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/ffi34 I realize a lot of this is hyperbole, but when you limit the game to merely *cowboys* because of the title, you're skipping the flavor, and noting what Philly Slim posted above, you're limiting what's even in the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Chute Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hmmmm......I'm thinking a kilt could be one of the additional "costume" items required to be worn that will be allowed in the VERY SOON TO BE ADOPTED......Baptist Steampunk Duelist category. But I could be wrong. At least that's what my wife often says. EC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Whew, I'm glad we got this resolved. Since the United States is home to every Nationality then, except for a couple of costuming categories, any costume from anywhere on earth is an acceptable SASS costume. Apparently. As long as it's "PERIOD". Hmmmm, don't see anything in the rule books that specifies costumes have to be "cowboy". As a matter of fact, Handbook #1 pretty much gives carte blanche NOT to be cowboy: The truly unique aspect of Cowboy Action Shooting™ is the requirement placed on authentic period or western screen dress. Each participant is required to adopt a shooting alias appropriate to a character or profession of the late 19th century, or a Hollywood western star, and develop a costume accordingly. Eggsackerly!! I note that few of you that seem so deadset against British officers, Scotsmen or even Germans quoting the "Cowboy" don't seen to mind bankers in bowlers, barmaids sans bras or any number of other deviations from "Cowboy". So frankly, that dog don't hunt. I've know a few 60 & 70+ year old cowboys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I guess if you want to wear a dress, you should be able to. Fillmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Yup, I've seen kilts at regional Not sure who the gent in the middle is but the other two are jp and tjt. Two cowboys I'm honored to shoot with fairly regularly. Ifwe all had to dress like cowboys it would get old really quickly. No bankers, soldiers, railroad.men... Oh yeah there also wouldn't be any saloon girls... I think ill take the variety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolan Kraps, SASS # 24084 Life Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Jack Thompson, SASS #55358 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Evil - the shooter in the middle of the photo is Slick McClade, an excellent shooter and a fun guy. That pic was at Comin' At Cha a couple of years ago. I agree: variety of costuming is part of what makes this game fun. TJT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly Red Ryder Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Even not being Scot or of Scottish origin I sometimes shoot wearing a kilt (Wallace Clan as it was the first I found on ebay -Hunting tartan for day wear, Formal for evening) and I love wearing it, I even wear a sporran everyday (with my jeans!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Evil - the shooter in the middle of the photo is Slick McClade, an excellent shooter and a fun guy. That pic was at Comin' At Cha a couple of years ago. I agree: variety of costuming is part of what makes this game fun. TJT Crap i am embarrassed now, i have the guys number on speed dial just in case something happens to my rifle, and i didn't even know what he looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlietwogunz Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 BUT are there any "Kilt wearing Mounted CAS" ? And anyone have pictures ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Crap i am embarrassed now, i have the guys number on speed dial just in case something happens to my rifle, and i didn't even know what he looks like Evil, don't feel bad, I've met him several times, had him do my pistol sights, and I thought it was him but wasn't sure enough to say so on here I really suck at names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Aw heck, ain't gonna get baited into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuteTheMall Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I guess grass skirts should be acceptable too, because at least Hawaii, unlike Scotland, became a part of the United States in the 19th century. Aloha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I guess grass skirts should be acceptable too, because at least Hawaii, unlike Scotland, became a part of the United States in the 19th century. Aloha. And Hawaii is about as far west as you can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Crap i am embarrassed now, i have the guys number on speed dial just in case something happens to my rifle, and i didn't even know what he looks like Don't beat yourself up too bad, Slick's got a face that's worth forgetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachey Carnehan Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/the-cowboy-and-his-kilt/Content?oid=1109175 Huh, cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Jack Thompson, SASS #55358 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/the-cowboy-and-his-kilt/Content?oid=1109175 Huh, cool. Cool info, thanks for adding something interesting to the discussion. TJT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Whew, I'm glad we got this resolved. Since the United States is home to every Nationality then, except for a couple of costuming categories, any costume from anywhere on earth is an acceptable SASS costume. it wood appear that is the trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Blue #54399 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Sure there were Scots and there were plenty of Germans and other groups too. Even so, someone of German ancestry wearing shorts, a shirt with a set of H supenders and a traditionl hat with a feather ain't cowboy. Like I said the "period correct" argument can be used to justify anything as having been in existence in the 1800s. That doesn't make it appropriate attire for a SASS match. I love ya too, Larsen, but I have to disagree with you also...by your definition....Victorian dresses aren't "cowboy" and wouldn't be appropriate for a SASS match. Now...here's my answer to the original question based on the rule book........Quoted from page 2..."clothing must be typical of the late 19th century...." If it existed in the 19th century...it's legal. Frankly, as a costume judge...I enjoy seeing folks step out of the box...using their imagination...not wearing the same thing that everyone else is wearing. Cowboy Action Shooting™ is a combination of historical reenactment and Saturday morning at the matinee. Participants may choose the style of costume they wish to wear, but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century, a B-western movie, or Western television series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I love ya too, Larsen, but I have to disagree with you also...by your definition....Victorian dresses aren't "cowboy" and wouldn't be appropriate for a SASS match. Now...here's my answer to the original question based on the rule book........Quoted from page 2..."clothing must be typical of the late 19th century...." If it existed in the 19th century...it's legal. Frankly, as a costume judge...I enjoy seeing folks step out of the box...using their imagination...not wearing the same thing that everyone else is wearing. If some guy wants to wear a Victorian dress, who I am to argue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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