Fighting back the "woke". Redskins to return name.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

A couple videos about the Washington Redskins going back to that name because American Indians LIKE it.

 

 

 

[Blackwater 53393]

It’s important to remember that the name “COWBOY” was originally used as an epithet. That’s right!! “COWBOY” was a very derogatory name used when referring to nearly anyone who tended cattle.

 

There are other names that are used by teams and schools all over that have adopted names that were once considered degrading to those that the names referred to.

 

Names like “Sooners” ,“Jayhawks”, even “Irish” were spat at those whose nationality or birthplace was looked down upon!!  And the people who were called those names stood straight and strong and those names became badges of pride and honor!!

 

To try to erase history and to cancel whole groups and cultures of people from history and memory is a disservice and a disgrace!!

 

I have said this before and I gladly and loudly repeat it now!

 

THERE’S A VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “WOKE” AND AWAKENED!!

 

 

 

 

[John Kloehr]

1 hour ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

...  those names became badges of pride and honor!!

Add redneck to the list. Folks around me are proud to be them, and they are also good honest neighbors.

[watab kid]

would love to see this happen across the board but not holding my breath , i was a fighting Sioux fan  - they were a powerhouse as were their namesake , dont understand how that would offend , 

 

im a scottsman - we get labled all the time , i see a lot of it as funny some very accurate , who the hell cares ? 

[Alpo]

I was idly wondering why Cleveland Indians was offensive and Washington Redskins was offensive, but Boston Celtics isn't.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

51 minutes ago, Alpo said:

but Boston Celtics isn't.

Because Southie

Edited November 30 by Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, watab kid said:

would love to see this happen across the board but not holding my breath , i was a fighting Sioux fan  - they were a powerhouse as were their namesake , dont understand how that would offend , 

 

im a scottsman - we get labled all the time , i see a lot of it as funny some very accurate , who the hell cares ? 

 

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

I was idly wondering why Cleveland Indians was offensive and Washington Redskins was offensive, but Boston Celtics isn't.

These things, along with Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and the Indian girl on Land O Lakes butter weren't offensive to people that they represented, they were offensive to white liberals who didn't have enough business of their own to mind. They decided that these symbols should be offensive and that they knew that better than the people represented by the symbols. 

I stumbled on another video today on a black guy's channel saying that blacks were proud of Aunt Jemima and Uncle Bens, and because of the people on the label, those were the products they bought.

But white liberals know better. 

[watab kid]

what exactly prompted this whole rebellion against homering these  ? i never got thyis , you wanbt to be respected and someone found a way then you spit in their face , im sorry - dont get it , but OK if thats what you want you no longer exist - you are a fly spot on a curtain , be gone .................

[Rye Miles #13621]

The Cleveland Indians name while not exactly named after Louis Socelexis, the first Native American ball player, it was certainly inspired by him. There was a survey urging people to send in names for the team. The Cleveland Indians won. For over 100 yrs that named stood until the “woke” mob pressured the woke owners to changing the name. First they got rid of the cartoonish Chief Wahoo then the name. Sad. 😔 The Chief on the right was the first one.

Edited Saturday at 11:10 AM by Rye Miles #13621

[Alpo]

I don't follow sports, so ---

 

Is Atlanta still the braves?

 

If they are, do they still do the tomahawk chop?

[Rye Miles #13621]

8 minutes ago, Alpo said:

I don't follow sports, so ---

 

Is Atlanta still the braves?

 

If they are, do they still do the tomahawk chop?

Yes and Yes

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

8 hours ago, watab kid said:

what exactly prompted this whole rebellion against homering these  ? .

Like I said, a bunch of white liberals with not enough business of their own to mind.

[Subdeacon Joe]

5 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

For over 100 yrs that named stood until the “woke” mob pressured the woke owners to changing the name.

 

I don't think that the owners who allowed the name changes are necessarily "woke."  I think that  pressure from the woke strongarm racketeers (Nice organization you go there, be a real shame if every game caused riots and lawsuits) and the spineless governing bodies,  i.e. Corporate MLB and NFL also caving to the mobocracy that forced their hands.

[Rye Miles #13621]

12 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I don't think that the owners who allowed the name changes are necessarily "woke."  I think that  pressure from the woke strongarm racketeers (Nice organization you go there, be a real shame if every game caused riots and lawsuits) and the spineless governing bodies,  i.e. Corporate MLB and NFL also caving to the mobocracy that forced their hands.

Well the story is that MLB said Cleveland could have the All Star game in 2019 if they got rid of Chief Wahoo. So yes it’s more about money but I believe these owners are “woke” also. They said it was time to get rid of Wahoo and later they changed the name! There could have been some pressure from MLB I’m sure. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Indians_name_and_logo_controversy

Edited Sunday at 05:10 AM by Rye Miles #13621

[watab kid]

19 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

 

These things, along with Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and the Indian girl on Land O Lakes butter weren't offensive to people that they represented, they were offensive to white liberals who didn't have enough business of their own to mind. They decided that these symbols should be offensive and that they knew that better than the people represented by the symbols. 

I stumbled on another video today on a black guy's channel saying that blacks were proud of Aunt Jemima and Uncle Bens, and because of the people on the label, those were the products they bought.

But white liberals know better. 

now thats one of the better explanations ive heard , it actually makes sense - they do tend to put their nose under the tent flap a lot - where it doesnt belong , too bad that rudeness hasnt been slapped down 

[watab kid]

8 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I don't think that the owners who allowed the name changes are necessarily "woke."  I think that  pressure from the woke strongarm racketeers (Nice organization you go there, be a real shame if every game caused riots and lawsuits) and the spineless governing bodies,  i.e. Corporate MLB and NFL also caving to the mobocracy that forced their hands.

i agree with you , its all about the money and smooth sailing means more money , 

[Rye Miles #13621]

How about that pretty Native American girl they took off the Land O Lakes butter pkg.? 🙄

[Alpo]

3 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

How about that pretty Native American girl they took off the Land O Lakes butter pkg.? 🙄

As far north as that girl's tribe was, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that she was not Native American but that she was First Nations.

[Rye Miles #13621]

2 hours ago, Alpo said:

As far north as that girl's tribe was, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that she was not Native American but that she was First Nations.

How do you know what tribe she was in?

[Pat Riot]

23 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

Like I said, a bunch of white liberals with not enough business of their own to mind.

The white liberals are the “Useful Idiots” in this segment of the destruction of the USA. 

[Alpo]

2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

How do you know what tribe she was in?

I looked her up one time. The artist that painted her was Ojibwe. The clothing he painted her in was Ojibwe.

 

The girl was Ojibwe.

 

The landscape in the painting that became the logo is The Narrows, at Red Lake Reservation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lake_Indian_Reservation

 

https://ictnews.org/news/theres-another-story-behind-that-land-o-lakes-butter-box

[Choctaw Jack]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:17 PM, Blackwater 53393 said:

It’s important to remember that the name “COWBOY” was originally used as an epithet. That’s right!! “COWBOY” was a very derogatory name used when referring to nearly anyone who tended cattle.

 

There are other names that are used by teams and schools all over that have adopted names that were once considered degrading to those that the names referred to.

 

Names like “Sooners” ,“Jayhawks”, even “Irish” were spat at those whose nationality or birthplace was looked down upon!!  And the people who were called those names stood straight and strong and those names became badges of pride and honor!!

 

To try to erase history and to cancel whole groups and cultures of people from history and memory is a disservice and a disgrace!!

 

I have said this before and I gladly and loudly repeat it now!

 

THERE’S A VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “WOKE” AND AWAKENED!!

 

 

 

 

I have to add one name to Blackwater's list- " Okie"

During the Depression of 1930s, compounded by the Dust Bowl conditions, large numbers of residents of Oklahoma ( and Texas, Kansas and other affected states)moved en mass to California.

The term " Okie" soon gained a derogatory connotation, referring to a lower class of people, or those who didn't belong .

Being a proud Oklahoman, I've always interpreted the term as being one who is tough, resilient, adaptive, and someone who perseveres. 

Just my not-so-humble opinion. 

Choctaw Jack

 

[Blackwater 53393]

59 minutes ago, Choctaw Jack said:

I have to add one name to Blackwater's list- " Okie"

During the Depression of 1930s, compounded by the Dust Bowl conditions, large numbers of residents of Oklahoma ( and Texas, Kansas and other affected states)moved en mass to California.

The term " Okie" soon gained a derogatory connotation, referring to a lower class of people, or those who didn't belong .

Being a proud Oklahoman, I've always interpreted the term as being one who is tough, resilient, adaptive, and someone who perseveres. 

Just my not-so-humble opinion. 

Choctaw Jack

 

Like I said, there are many “nicknames” that were, (and some are still) derogatory or demeaning!  Those who were called such names and overcame the stigma mostly kept the diminutive as a badge of honor!!

 

My paternal grandparents were both German immigrants. They and their children were called Krauts and Gerries for the better part of the early twentieth century!

 

I wear the Kraut label with pride! I take it to mean that, by birth, I’m naturally gifted with excellent mechanical skills and attention to detail!  It ain’t necessarily so.  It’s probably NOT as hereditary as some would have you believe, but I know four generations of my family have exhibited those traits.

 

While my dad was harassed and treated badly in school, my grandfather was working on the Manhattan Project!

 

SO!!  Like the line in the old western goes when one guy calls another a less than complementary name, “YA BETTER SMILE WHEN YOU SAY THAT!”

[Rye Miles #13621]

Nicknames that are derogatory? I’m Italian tell me about it! 🙄

[Subdeacon Joe]

A bit obscure outside a belt from Pennsylvania north are "bohunk" and "hunkie" for Slavic and Magyar people who came to the US.

[John Kloehr]

Wokeism did not stop with creating programs or removing certain images, instead those responses became wedges to go for even more.

 

Like with gun control, an inch is an opportunity for a mile.

 

For all of these things, they are like a pie. And the woke claim to only want one slice of it. Then they want another and another. Finally you only have one slice left and they want to take it too. Enough! Folks want their whole damn pie back!

 

Redskin's name coming back, Aunt Jemima is back, Uncle Ben is back, and the butter girl needs her land back. None of these symbols were discriminatory IMO. They were and are all in complimentary.

[Will Kane]

Team name “outrage” is directly related to the racket the “outraged” person is involved with $$$.

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

On 11/29/2024 at 9:54 PM, Alpo said:

I was idly wondering why Cleveland Indians was offensive and Washington Redskins was offensive, but Boston Celtics isn't.

Being a McDaniel on my father's side and a McMichael on my mother's side it always irks me that they ALWAYS mis pronounce Celtic. It should be pronounced Keltic. Heathens.

JHC

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

I went to McMurry college in  Abilene. We were the Indians. For homecoming they used to set up a whole teepee village, dressed like Indians etc. When I was a kid even it was a big deal, they would take us on field trip McMurrry and even learned something about the Comanche and tribes from this area. Then the NCAA got the WOKE cob up their @$$ and made us change our name. No more teepee village. Now we are the Warhawks. I got something for the NCAA!

JHC

[Pat Riot]

7 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

A bit obscure outside a belt from Pennsylvania north are "bohunk" and "hunkie" for Slavic and Magyar people who came to the US.

I heard the name “Hunkie” numerous times as a child in SW Pennsylvania. I also heard the slurs for Jews, Italians, Irish, Russians, Polish. I’m sure I have overlooked 1 or 2 more. 
It seems each group liked slurring the others but would go to blows if someone slurred their heritage.

Now that I think about it, I grew up amongst a bunch of ***holes. 
 

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

 

Now that I think about it, I grew up amongst a bunch of ***holes. 

 

You mean  normal people?

 

Odd thing about those ethnic slurs, most people don't really consider them to be slurs, it's just language.   Like people calling youvm "Pat" or me "Joe."

Edited Monday at 02:06 AM by Subdeacon Joe

[Pat Riot]

13 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

You mean  normal people?

 

Odd thing about those ethnic slurs, most people don't really consider them to be slurs, it's just language.   Like people calling youvm "Pat" or me "Joe."

I disagree. 

[Whitey James]

Hard times create strong men. (Great Depression)

Strong men create good times. (Post WW2)

Good times create weak men. (Millennials)

Weak men create hard times. (school shootings, gender dysphoria, socialism, riots, etc.)

 

 

[watab kid]

5 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

You mean  normal people?

 

Odd thing about those ethnic slurs, most people don't really consider them to be slurs, it's just language.   Like people calling youvm "Pat" or me "Joe."

that is exactly my thinking on the topic , what might have been slang of the time has become common ...then all of a sudden taboo , much of it with no ill intent but simply speak of those times , there are also dialect items of certain areas - didnt know this as an 18 year old raised in a household without prejudice , but i learned it as i moved around the country , even here in that land of "minnesota nice" , i learned some new things , you take them in stride and accept/reject as need be , 

 

i say i was raised without prejudice for two reasons - 

 

first - because my family moved north from the south and yes , my grandparents had some southern tendency and attitudes , but my parents always corrected those comments to us kids - they did not allow any racist comments to go undiscussed and corrected , 

 

second - because my father served in the pacific , he bombed japan , but when he came home he harbored no resentment to the japanese people - we were taught growing up they were not responsible for what their government did , i had an adopted war bride japanese aunt who treated me like her own kin , she was very good to me as a child , 

 

ill add that i married a woman that was rais4ed in japan shortly after she was born in pearl harbor till she was in high school - dad was career navy submariner , 

 

[Texas Maverick]

Guess we will have to wait and see. Owner said he was not going to change the name back.

 

 

 

TM