sassnetguy50 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) Folding, take down or other compact without a tax stamp pistol caliber carbines. What do you look for or shy away from? Why are those features of value or not? This thread was inspired by a KelTech Sub2K gen3 advertisement. Seeing the rotating front half to allow rail mounted optics like the S&W FPC and Ruger PC takedown can. Shipping without factory sights which the first two generations had. Edited January 2 by sassnetguy50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Eagle Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 You looking for suggestions with or without a tax stamp? Lots of choices once you get rid of the 16" barrel requirement. I think there are a couple of bullpups too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Gray, #36839 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) I have the Ruger PC Carbine takedown. It is the Backpacker model. Compact, fun, takes Glock mags & the optic stays in place. I also have the Ruger PC Charger pistol. Same as carbine except no buttstock & a pistol length barrel. More compact & would be really nice with a folding arm brace if allowed. A buddy has a S&W M&P FPC - folding pistol carbine. It is built on their pistol chassis & is a hoot to shoot also. The only downside is it only uses S&W mags. Edited January 2 by Zeb Gray, #36839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Great get me home Truck gun. With a couple Glock happy sticks and your good to go . Be the Wolf not the sheep ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I have a Ruger PCC and a TNW. I like the TNW better it is more compact and only weighs about 5 lbs. Both are 9 mm. and take the Glock mags. kR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 38 minutes ago, Kid Rich said: I have a Ruger PCC and a TNW. I like the TNW better it is more compact and only weighs about 5 lbs. Both are 9 mm. and take the Glock mags. kR What’s a “TNW”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Probably this https://www.tnwfirearms.com/ Yeah, I never heard of them before either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I have a Ruger PC Carbine. It’s 6.8 pounds. I bought mine when they first came on the market. It looks like this: 6.8 pounds in factory condition. The Magpul stocked models are 6.2 pounds. Seriously considering a Magpul Backpacker stock. Factory front sight and Odin Works “Atlas 9” muzzle brake. Anyone that tells you a muzzle brake does not help on a 9mm does not know what they’re talking about. The brake keeps me on target when rapid firing. Factory rear sight. Sig Sauer “Romeo 5” 2 MOS red dot sight with American Defense low QD picatinny mount. MCARBO cheek pad helps with red dot sight aiming but does not hinder iron sight use. Savior Take Down rifle bag. Can be carried like a backpack. Pockets for each half of the gun. I can store 6 mags in the slots under the magazine shown. Cargo pouches on front of bag hold more mags, ammo and other essentials. Internally I have installed; MCARBO recoil buffer and spring, receiver pins, and I replaced plastic spring keeper with a stainless one. I have an MCARBO bolt release (not installed yet) If I didn’t have Glocks and had S&W M&P pistols I may have purchased their FPC carbine. At this time Glock does not have a carbine so the Ruger will do just fine. It has been 100% reliable from the start. I considered buying an AR 9mm before purchasing the Ruger, but after doing lots of research, the glowing reviews of AR9s simply amounted to “I have one and so should you and they’re 100% reliable if you don’t shoot them”. To be fair my research was done a few years ago. There may be some now that are more reliable. The Ruger, S&W FPC, KelTec SUB2000 and the Henry Homesteader were all built as 9mm carbines. They’re all pretty reliable, from what I have read. They weren’t adaptations of a rifle caliber gun converted to pistol caliber gun. Good Luck in your quest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I bought the S&W FPC a few months ago and it has become my favorite non-CAS rifle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Well, I am not sure you can call them "carbines," as they are legally pistols, but there is this by Chiappa in .44 Magnum... Or, AWA made this in .45 Colt, but they are super rare. Less than 20 were made, as far as I can gather, and that's probably a high estimate... Or, if you wanna make your own, this is an Uberti, .44-40, 16" barrel, and even with the butt the way it is, its overall length is still over the minimum length, so no tax stamp needed. It's just a rifle with a really short length of pull. I guess THIS could be considered a carbine... And if you want a shotgun, Chiappa makes this little number... Not SASS Legal, but fun to shoot! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I have a Diamondback DB9R, 16 1/2 rifle. Not a compact or a folder, they make them. It uses Glock 32 rd happy sticks also. I have been impressed with this PCC. Imis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 6 hours ago, Pat Riot said: What’s a “TNW”? Years ago they converted ma deuces to be tax stamp free semi autos. They were cheaper to buy and much cheaper to operate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 16 hours ago, Wild Eagle said: You looking for suggestions with or without a tax stamp? Lots of choices once you get rid of the 16" barrel requirement. I think there are a couple of bullpups too. No tax stamp for me. Had not thought about bullpups, that is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 5 hours ago, Alpo said: Probably this https://www.tnwfirearms.com/ Yeah, I never heard of them before either Thank you. Nifty looking carbines. I thought it was odd that I couldn’t find info on their magazines or even a price on them. EDIT: Ah, I just found Magazine info. They say “Glock style” magazines except for .22s, they use a Remington mag. 11 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: Years ago they converted ma deuces to be tax stamp free semi autos. They were cheaper to buy and much cheaper to operate. Thank you. I just read that in their “About Us” page. Edited January 2 by Pat Riot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 @Pat Riot can you thread a charging handle in both sides of the Ruger bolt at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I kinda like this setup. Glock 17 with a Franklin Armory binary switch and a red dot sight. Flux Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 48 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: @Pat Riot can you thread a charging handle in both sides of the Ruger bolt at the same time? Hmmm…I really don’t know. It appears that you could. EDIT: Making that photo set above shows me that I need to blank off those threads so they don’t get rusty or dinged up somehow. Edited January 2 by Pat Riot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: Years ago they converted ma deuces to be tax stamp free semi autos. They were cheaper to buy and much cheaper to operate. They also took those sub machine parts kit and built ATF approved pistol caliber semi-auto guns out of them. The Finnish M31 Suomi was one of those guns and I think they did one of the Russian ones in 7.62x25 M31, drums were $25.00 and 36 round stick magazines were $15.95. Shoots pretty good once you tweak the magazine feed lips a little. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: @Pat Riot can you thread a charging handle in both sides of the Ruger bolt at the same time? Yes you can. Wanted to mount brass catcher (greatest device for PCC) and had to switch operating handle to left side GW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 57 minutes ago, G W Wade said: Yes you can. Wanted to mount brass catcher (greatest device for PCC) and had to switch operating handle to left side GW I like my bolt handle on the left. I am right handed. My right hand never moves away from the trigger when reloading. Thanks for the tip with the brass catcher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Buying the brass catcher was good and bad. Not picking brass anymore BUT getting expensive because I don't have to pick brass anymore. GW Quote Quote Quote 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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