Criminal Justice is Lacking

[Gracos Kid]

Guilty plea to arson for burning down a Wendy's restaurant brings only five years probation and a $500 fine......AJC article from 12-01-2023.    Guess the system was too busy compiling prosecution for someone else in voting fraud....

 

Two co-defendants pleaded guilty to arson charges for burning down a southwest Atlanta Wendy’s during the protests following Rayshard Brooks’ shooting death in June 2020, while a third defendant is scheduled to go on trial next week despite being in federal prison.

Chisom Kingston and Natalie Hanna White each entered negotiated guilty pleas Thursday, according to Fulton County court documents. They each pleaded guilty to two counts of arson and one count of conspiracy to commit arson and received identical sentences of five years on probation and $500 fines.

[Badlands Bob #61228]

And now the neighborhood has a vacant lot, a few less jobs and a well earned reputation that will prevent future businesses from locating there.  

[Eyesa Horg]

And they wonder why there is so much crime these days.

The thugs know they don't have much to worry about. When they called Belt Loops Matter riots peaceful, you could see that they don't really care what crime is doing to our country.

[El Chapo]

People walk out of court having pleaded guilty to felonies every day with probation.  Sadly the only punishment that comes is if they escalate their crime to violence against other people.  Before that, they learn nothing, continue to run amok, and even then it's only the ones who get caught. 

 

Somehow we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, generally for throwing people in the slammer after they're given probation and screw it up.  We really ought to ask ourselves with so many people getting second, third, and fourth chances, how they continue to screw it up and won't straighten out. 

[Eyesa Horg]

Go back to the pre 20th century type jails would be a start. I have what I guess would be a nephew in-law. He has been in either reform school or prison since he was 8 years old. I met him when he was out once at 30 years old. He was at his sister's baby's baptism. I asked him XXX. His answer was that everything is free there, including women and drugs because of "good behaviour" all his friends from the previous 20 years are there as well. He asked me why I'd want to be on the outside having to work all day and paying for everything? He chucked a brick thru a 7-11 window that night and back in he went! Likely still there and he'd be about 60-65 now! We need a really large island like Alcatraz and dump all the POSs there and let them fend for themselves! There's gotta be an island somewhere that they can't swim from! Ya wanna eat, grow some food!

[Dantankerous]

Today's (D) "justice system"?

 

[Gungadin]

Subcontract jail to Turkey, Mexico, Iran, China, Russia....?  Several benefits

 

Lower cost

Incentive to correct behavior

Learn about civil rights in other countries

 

 

Can't do it, it would be cruel and unusual or some violation of civil rights.....

 

Long time ago they sent you to America or Australia 

 

Then there was the option to join the army, but I doubt the army wants them.

 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

7 hours ago, Gungadin said:

Subcontract jail to Turkey, Mexico, Iran, China, Russia....?  Several benefits

 

Lower cost

Incentive to correct behavior

Learn about civil rights in other countries

 

 

Can't do it, it would be cruel and unusual or some violation of civil rights.....

 

Long time ago they sent you to America or Australia 

 

Then there was the option to join the army, but I doubt the army wants them.

 

I never understood this "cruel and unusual" BS.  If it weren't "cruel and unusual" it would be "kind and commonplace"....not my idea of punishment at all.

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

23 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I never understood this "cruel and unusual" BS.  If it weren't "cruel and unusual" it would be "kind and commonplace"....not my idea of punishment at all.

Cruel and unusual crimes are perfectly fine though it seems.

[Texas Joker]

7 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I never understood this "cruel and unusual" BS.  If it weren't "cruel and unusual" it would be "kind and commonplace"....not my idea of punishment at all.

Think of the times it was written: iron maiden, the rack, boiled in oil, permanent disfigurement.

 

an attempt at rehabilitation was such a revolutionary idea that it wasn't a thing in the 18th century. They dropped you in a hole you likely dug yourself and left you to rot. If your family brought you food you ate. If not ....

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

I think the problem is not enough prison space.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

8 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I never understood this "cruel and unusual" BS.  If it weren't "cruel and unusual" it would be "kind and commonplace"....not my idea of punishment at all.

I believe that Heinlein said something similar in "Starship Troopers". 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

I think the real problem is too many criminals are turned loose, using "not enough space" as one (of many) excuse for left wing courts, politicians, judges, attorneys, and other assorted cry babies to try to get leverage over the real people of this country.

 

There is a solution:  make the ones who turn them loose support then=m out of their own pockets, hold them criminally responsible for the ones they set free, and if all that fails "GET A ROPE!"

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I think the real problem is too many criminals are turned loose, using "not enough space" as one (of many) excuse for left wing courts, politicians, judges, attorneys, and other assorted cry babies to try to get leverage over the real people of this country.

The problem is the "Oprahzation" of America. Too many sheeple thinking "It's not their fault". "They didn't have a father, they couldn't get an education 'cause their schools were in a bad part of town, systemic racism is keeping them down", etc. And the "politicians" who want to appease those same sheeple, so they go light on the offenders. 

The solution is to arrest the lawbreakers, try them, and when found guilty, JAIL them. If these miscreants were held accountable for their actions, some of them MIGHT stop DOING the things that get them jailed. 

[Texas Joker]

If its 'systemic racism' how do they expect the system to fix it?

 

When the system says vote for me and I'll fix the system what'd they do before?

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

27 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:

When the system says vote for me and I'll fix the system what'd they do before?

You have hit upon the very problem. The Black community has been complaining about racism since before I was old enough to know what it is. Democrats have been saying "Vote for us and we'll fix it FOR you", for just as long. The Black community is still complaining and the democrats are still promising to fix it. The will NEVER fix it because then they wouldn't have anything to promise to fix. 

[Gungadin]

And the biggest problems are where?  The cities, that are fully democrat run and have been for half a century.  And please don't take offense officers but the politicians in the city are ultimately responsible for the police service/performance.

 

Yet given a party difference the Governor or President is blamed.  

 

Currently Chicago IL has a problem.  Not the majors fault, not the governors fault, not the presidents fault.....Putin is busy, unacceptable to blame the Jews or Muslims hmm what is left?

 

It would be funny if it were not so sad.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

11 minutes ago, Gungadin said:

Currently Chicago IL has a problem.  Not the majors fault, not the governors fault, not the presidents fault...

You must have missed it. Chicago's mayor has firmly placed blame for his city's problems on the "fact" that Republicans are “still mad that a black man is free in this country."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/brandon-johnson-wild-racism-accusations

[Subdeacon Joe]

This is a few years old, but it pinpoints the real problem

 

 

[Gungadin]

Can't disagree.  Maybe I have some understanding of the foster system 

 

Would I be unreasonable to propose that every child have a father on the birth certificate and that said fathers be held accountable or they never get a tax 'return' SS Check etc etc.  We have the technology.....just not the will.

 

I know, someone will call me racist and I will say 'no I am for personal accountability and you are racist for making the leap that this behavior is related to a race, but lets be more specific....what race were you thinking of?'

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

On 12/2/2023 at 2:10 PM, Gungadin said:

Subcontract jail to Turkey, Mexico, Iran, China, Russia....?  Several benefits

 

Lower cost

Incentive to correct behavior

Learn about civil rights in other countries

 

 

Can't do it, it would be cruel and unusual or some violation of civil rights.....

 

Long time ago they sent you to America or Australia 

 

Then there was the option to join the army, but I doubt the army wants them.

 

Would you want one of those curs beside you in a hole during a battle?

 

That was my argument when my Mom told me they should send all the hippies and druggies to be beside me in 'Nam.

[Still hand Bill]

I see this minimal sentences and yet a friend who plead guilty for a crime he didn’t do, spent 4 years in federal pen and has 20 years of probation.   The system is completely broken.  Soon people will simply start doing it themselves and that will be the beginning of the end.  

[Gungadin]

No Forty I didn't propose letting criminals out of sentences by joining the military.  No, I wouldn't necessarily want them on my team.  I noted that in history it was done.  I suspect largely as the military needed people AND that the judge hoped military discipline might reform many.  I suspect it was a win/win for many but I have no data.

 

But if you think about the lowered PC military standards of today, I'd ask if it would be unreasonable for a judge to do intelligently.  Key word is 'intelligently'.

 

Maybe we need a new penal colony.  Like I said Australia and America were used....  I'm thinking .......  Gaza?

[bgavin]

Minneapolis, also.