Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sam Sackett said: Maybe I’m a dinosaur, but I am not using their APP! Sam Sackett I AM a dinosaur. Not only are my appliances dumb, but so is my flip phone. I like it that way. I do have to say though, there is one piece of modern tech I absolutely LOVE, my DVR. I'm not saying that tech is bad, a lot of the things that Creeker mentioned are pretty much essential for modern life. Having my appliances communicate with each other is not one of them. Most of us have "commented" on how ridiculous modern vehicles are getting with tech. While modern engines can go 100,000 miles without so much as a tuneup, maybe function for 300,000 miles without a problem, get far better fuel mileage and more power than we could have imagined in our youth, due entirely to the computers that run them. I know how to read a map, and do most of the other things that those same vehicles do, so I don't need them to do those things. Those things are what make those vehicles cost so much that many people simply cannot afford them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I recently had a lapse of judgment and decided to join Facebook thinking I could limit my exposure on the forum. When I got to the part where FB required a picture of my drivers license in addition to the other personal data they require, I stopped. That just really creeped me out and I quit right there. I suppose in the future they’ll require a DNA sample and birth certificate. And the masses will comply, then complain about invasion of privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 11 hours ago, Sam Sackett said: If I installed their APP, I was giving them permission to access any of the information on my phone. BINGO! ”They” actually count on you not reading the fine print. Several years ago my son-in-law convinced my wife and I to use Google photos to save photos so they don’t get lost. One day I heard Google was compiling photo information on gun ownership and they were collecting gun serial numbers from “customer’s photos”. I went on Google and deleted a whole bunch of photos. Those photos also got deleted from my photo file on my iPhone. Why? Because Google was in control of my personal photos on my personal phone. I locked them out and since Apple stores deleted photos for 30 days I was able to restore most of them. The only Google related app on my phone now is YouTube. I am debating on deleting that as well. F*** Google! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 12:06 AM, Pat Riot said: I had a nice lady give me the lowdown on how these appliances work. When you take things like milk or juice out it adds that item to your shopping list which you can pull up at the store… The refrigerator scans the bar code on the product every time you take something out? And then removes it from the shopping list when you put it back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: BINGO! ”They” actually count on you not reading the fine print. Several years ago my son-in-law convinced my wife and I to use Google photos to save photos so they don’t get lost. One day I heard Google was compiling photo information on gun ownership and they were collecting gun serial numbers from “customer’s photos”. I went on Google and deleted a whole bunch of photos. Those photos also got deleted from my photo file on my iPhone. Why? Because Google was in control of my personal photos on my personal phone. I locked them out and since Apple stores deleted photos for 30 days I was able to restore most of them. The only Google related app on my phone now is YouTube. I am debating on deleting that as well. F*** Google! I've had Google send unsolicited "A look back to 3 years ago" photos...photos deleted long (years) ago. I'm not sure that once Google has them, that they are ever actually forever deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: went on Google and deleted a whole bunch of photos. Those photos also got deleted from my photo file on my iPhone. The images aren’t deleted — once they’re out there, they are beyond your ability to remove them from the network. You just ended your own ability to access to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: The images aren’t deleted — once they’re out there, they are beyond your ability to remove them from the network. You just ended your own ability to access to them. No, I didn’t. I retrieved them from Apple. Where they were in the first place. Google no longer has access to my photos. 1 hour ago, Cypress Sun said: I've had Google send unsolicited "A look back to 3 years ago" photos...photos deleted long (years) ago. I'm not sure that once Google has them, that they are ever actually forever deleted. It’s kind of hard for them to give me updates as I have removed them from my life. I let my email account with them go dark a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 3 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: The way I am with keeping track of my phone, it’d likely be on a shelf inside the fridge… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: The way I am with keeping track of my phone, it’d likely be on a shelf inside the fridge… With your keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Do they tell you if the light is on inside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 22 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: As I understand it, when someone installs the TikTok app they give TikTok (Chinese government) the same permission to access anything on your device. I have to imagine that many apps have the same fine print detailing accessibility by entities other than the owner of the device. TikTok made headlines going beyond access, to keylogging everything linked from their app (including passwords). It also matters what the access permission is used for. Are they accessing the phone app to know to pause the silly cat video for an incoming call or are they harvesting the call data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 22 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: As I understand it, when someone installs the TikTok app they give TikTok (Chinese government) the same permission to access anything on your device. I have to imagine that many apps have the same fine print detailing accessibility by entities other than the owner of the device. Well, if we are going to other apps. One of the founders of the Pokemon app company got an award from our government. Hey, if you want a picture of some place, just put a Pokemon there. Folks will rush to get a picture of the Pokemon at that location, along with a time stamp, the owner of the phone, maybe even a picture of the person using the phone, and of course the picture of that location. This is a great example of targeted crowd-sourcing of intelligence information. So I do agree China should not have this capability. No foreign power should have this capability. I do question if our government should have it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 20 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Several years ago my son-in-law convinced my wife and I to use Google photos to save photos so they don’t get lost. . . . . I went on Google and deleted a whole bunch of photos. When I said you ended your ability to access them, I was referring to access through Google. Quibble on the fine points if you wish, the pictures are very likely still available to Google, since, according to your own comment, you stored them there (edit to add) and, as quite a few people have found to their dismay, once an image gets out into the ether, it's out there to stay. So you're saying that Apple has them instead also. 18 hours ago, Pat Riot said: No, I didn’t. I retrieved them from Apple. Where they were in the first place. Google no longer has access to my photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 The photos of Jennifer Lawrence's koochie will be resident in Google storage forever. As noted above, nothing ever is truly erased. They simply flip one single bit in the directory structure field that says "erased". Same as your home computer, the file is still there.. it just has the "erased" bit flipped. In time, you home computer space holding that file will be over written. Not so with Google, especially when data mining is their primary objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 The whole 'photos on the web' thing reminds me of a segment I watched on 60 Minutes about a company that was dealing in facial recognition software. To demonstrate a commercial application of facial recognition, the head of the company took the interviewer to a restaurant for lunch. Within a minute, the interviewer got a text advertising a lunch special at the restaurant. She acknowledged that it actually sounded like something she would order. Then the company head explained what had happened: 1. When the interviewer walked into the restaurant, a camera captured her image, and the system accessed Facebook's photo database to find out who she was. 2. After finding out who she was, the system went to supermarket records to profile her dietary habits through her grocery shopping. 3. After profiling her dietary habits, the system matched those preferences to the an item on the restaurant menu.. 4. Then the system went to phone databases to get her cell number, and texted her the ad. There is no 'constitutional right to privacy' when you are dealing with private companies, there are only contractual agreements. And as Pat pointed out: 23 hours ago, Pat Riot said: ”They” actually count on you not reading the fine print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: When I said you ended your ability to access them, I was referring to access through Google. Quibble on the fine points if you wish, the pictures are very likely still available to Google, since, according to your own comment, you stored them there (edit to add) and, as quite a few people have found to their dismay, once an image gets out into the ether, it's out there to stay. So you're saying that Apple has them instead also. What do you care? I know where they are. I am not an idiot or some internet newbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: What do you care? I know where they are. I am not an idiot or some internet newbi Whatever you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: Whatever you say. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: What do you care? I just figured that when you felt the need to share your ‘I’m safe from google’ expertise, you were actually laying out a silent, desperate desire for someone to care. Didn’t want to leave you hanging out there, unsupported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: I just figured that when you felt the need to share your ‘I’m safe from google’ expertise, you were actually laying out a silent, desperate desire for someone to care. Didn’t want to leave you hanging out there, unsupported. Thank you for caring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, bgavin said: ...As noted above, nothing ever is truly erased.... Yup. I learned this with quite a bit of fascinating detail from an FBI computer expert when I sat on a jury many years ago involving a federal trial. The terms "deletion resurrection" and "data retrival" were almost scary eye opening. The defendant earned himself a couple decades in prison, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 5:18 AM, Dantankerous said: A refrigerator is supposed to keep food cool, period. Doesn't need anything fancy to do that. This just adds unnecessary cost to the prime reason this invention exists. But I'm sure it makes eco-yuppies and enviro-hippies proud to show off to their friends. It's all a part of the dumb-down trend. The day is fast coming when very few appliances or tools will work properly out of the box, and fixing them will require this month's new digital skills that you havent yet learned. Out-repair will cost more than buying a new one. You will only need to spend 100% of your time learning new software nuances, instead of quickly fixing stuff in your shop and going fishing. We are already to the point where finding a young man or woman who knows how to do something--anything beyond a phone or computer keyboard is a rarity. A big solar coronal mass ejection someday will wipe our civilization out-- literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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