Hoss Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Had a shotgun squib. Wad did not clear the barrel. Finished stage single shot. pushed the wad out, was surprised to find full load of unburned Red Dot powder behind it. The primer pop was sufficient to push wad 3/4 of way down barrel. Can’t figure out why the powder did not light off. Any ideas? naturally, was 1st shot of the only 6 round shotgun stage at our annual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 My guess would be some foreign matter in the hull that separated the primer from the powder, or Powder had enough dampness to keep it from burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Another possibility, a defective primer with not enough compound to light things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadspittinlefty Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Could be not any wad pressure, experts at BPI say min. of 10 lbs. Just Sayin ! LSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Leadspittinlefty said: Could be not any wad pressure, experts at BPI say min. of 10 lbs. Just Sayin ! LSL I suppose it’s possible. But had shot & wad and crimp looked ok. Not sure how that could be a wad pressure problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Contaminated powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Foreign object in hull when loaded. I've found pickup hulls with a layer of feathers, dirt, a piece of chewing gum, foam ear plugs, a .22 fired piece of brass. Decapping pin pushes through, then the stuff falls back over the primer flash hole and insulates the powder from the flash of the primer. Primer pressure is enough to push most wads halfway down a shotgun barrel. A wet hull can soak the powder enough to not ignite, too. Check your hulls before you load 'em, especially if you are scrounging empties from trash cans. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: Foreign object in hull when loaded. I've found pickup hulls with a layer of feathers, dirt, a piece of chewing gum, foam ear plugs, a .22 fired piece of brass. Decapping pin pushes through, then the stuff falls back over the primer flash hole and insulates the powder from the flash of the primer. Primer pressure is enough to push most wads halfway down a shotgun barrel. A wet hull can soak the powder enough to not ignite, too. Check your hulls before you load 'em, especially if you are scrounging empties from trash cans. good luck, GJ I’m thinking this must have been the issue. I generally just reload my own hulls, but certainly possible something got in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Red Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Hoss you sure it was Red Dot not Red Pepper??? TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 makes me think is was something in this hull since you reload your own, I would think you would have had more than one problem round if it was something wrong with you components. I've used my SxS "single shot" scattergun on a number of occassions. slow but beats having misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah, SASS # 53822 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Light powder load, I’m guessing. Wad pressure doesn’t help you, the wad bottomed out. Uriah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: makes me think is was something in this hull since you reload your own, I would think you would have had more than one problem round if it was something wrong with you components. I've used my SxS "single shot" scattergun on a number of occassions. slow but beats having misses Naturally the only 6 shotgun target stage in the whole match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I had a chunk of red dot flakes ( they were stuck together like they were glued ) block my MEC powder drop and loaded about 1/2 a box of rounds with little to no powder in them before I caught it, rounds went POOOF and pushed the wad 3/4 down the barrel, I have also seen a brand new can of Herco with chunks of powder, now days I watch my powder as I pour it into the loader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 im not sayin its so , but i too suspected/suspect contaminated powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Oak Ridge Regulator said: I had a chunk of red dot flakes ( they were stuck together like they were glued ) block my MEC powder drop and loaded about 1/2 a box of rounds with little to no powder in them before I caught it, rounds went POOOF and pushed the wad 3/4 down the barrel, I have also seen a brand new can of Herco with chunks of powder, now days I watch my powder as I pour it into the loader Interesting. About a year and half ago I had an unopened 8 pounder of clays that had been in dry climate controlled condition for about two years. I had bought it new and when I opened it there were about a half dozen “chunks“ of compressed powder. None of them would have passed through the powder measure. Pure luck I caught it as they were on top of the rest of the normal looking powder. After some careful massaging back into powder I loaded about 15 shells. All worked normally, as did shells made from the remaining powder. Hadn’t seen it before and haven’t seen it since. Never did figure it out. Regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I have a piece of 3/16" mesh inside the funnel I use when filling my powder measures. You would be surprised at what it catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Another lesson I learned is to not store cleaned brass or empty hulls in open containers between cleaning and reloading. Lots of bugs and spiders like to take up residence and build nests inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I use big coffee cans with lids, works a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Sights, SASS # 2782 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 For brass, I use the Costco square containers the various nuts come in. Nice screw top lids on those. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I have 3 sets of these for pistol and rifle brass. They are stackable. For shotgun shells I get these from my friends that have cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I use empty MaroSnacks containers to hold brass. Each one holds around 700+ 38 special cases. It helps if you have a dog who likes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 been using the two pound plastic coffee cans myself for brass , back before i retired the company bought a couple of those a week , i took home what i thought i needed when empty and been real happy with the system as i can throw them out when no longer needed and never feel bad about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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