Chief Rick Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 For this scenario there are two sets of three rifle targets: X X X X X X Instructions are to engage one set of rifle targets with a 1-2-2 sweep starting on either end, then repeat instructions with other set of rifle targets. Shooter engages and hits first three targets appropriately. Shooter then engages second set of targets: hits left target once, hits middle target once, then misses, hits middle target second time, then hits right target once. What's the call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Procedural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Miss + Procedural The "P" is for the 9th shot hitting the middle target instead of the last target in the second sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Each bullet coming out of the barrel has an assigned target in this scenario. The miss (eighth shot) was assigned to the center target in the second group of targets. The ninth and tenth round must go on the last target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 What if the shooter claims to have been aiming at the 3rd target with his 9th shot and just missed it and hit the 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Tyrel Cody said: What if the shooter claims to have been aiming at the 3rd target with his 9th shot and just missed it and hit the 2nd? We don't take intent into consideration.... It's still a miss and a P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: We don't take intent into consideration.... It's still a miss and a P Interesting, I've seen a P overturned in a very similar situation to the one I mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Tyrel Cody said: Interesting, I've seen a P overturned in a very similar situation to the one I mentioned. Wrong decisions happen all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yep .. Miss + P Rance Thinkin' ya done good on this one PaleWolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: What if the shooter claims to have been aiming at the 3rd target with his 9th shot and just missed it and hit the 2nd? 34 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: We don't take intent into consideration.... It's still a miss and a P Tyrel, Its MY understanding that UNLESS the shooter was able to have a 'clear' miss (ample space between targets to allow a legit miss, its a 'P' and we can't take the intent into consideration. The shooter would have been better off if the 9th shot had also missed any rifle target. Miss and a 'P'. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keystone, SASS # 47578 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The 8th round from the rifle was fired & did not hit a rifle target = M. The right target was not hit twice as required in the target sequence with the 9th & 10th shots & the miss was not the 9th or 10th shot = P. (1) M & (1) P = 15 second penalty If the 8th shot would have hit any target it would not have been a miss. If it was determined the target arrangement did not allow a clean miss and the 8th round had hit the right or left target, then a "P" caused by the hit of the 8th shot could have been negated. Target arrangements I saw early in my experience with CAS/SASS were sometimes set up with very little spacing between them, especially when five targets were set up in a "V" formation. Not so common in today's competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Hammer Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Miss and a P simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 Thanks to all for the replies. I try to include a "what's the call" scenario in our clubs newsletter and seeing these discussions allows me to not only better understand why some calls are the way they are, but also to better explain it in a short article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 hours ago, Chief Rick said: Shooter then engages second set of targets: hits left target once, hits middle target once, then misses, hits middle target second time, then hits right target once. What's the call? look at it from counters point of view. They are not looking at where the shooter is aiming, they are (or should be) looking at targets first bank of targets: OK on second bank they hear the 6th (overall) shot then see/hear hit on first target, hear the 7th shot then see/hear hit on second target, hear the 8th shot but don't see/hear hit on second target MISS earned, hear the 9th shot and see/hear a shot on second target PROCEDUAL earned . . . and last two targets are hits so no more misses (and only one procedual per stage) Miss + P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 It was my "intenet" not to miss any targets. So I shoot every match clean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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