45-70 black powder loading info

[Preacher Kid]

Hey wanted to see if anybody has a black powder load for shooting plainsman and cody/dixon with? Im shooting a trapdoor carbine. Thanks a bunch and God bless

[Waimea]

You know we're not supposed to put load info on the wire but this might give you a clue:

 

45-70

 

 

 

Waimea

 

[El Hombre Sin Nombre]

Haha that's a good one

[Cpl. Henry B. Tolate]

Original carbine round was .45-55-405 with card wad to fill space. I load mine w/o the wad and seat the 405 HB bullet directly on the powder as was done with the 1886 carbine load. Approximate of the middle number to achieve 1145 fps. Seemed to work good then and now. Also that is what the carbine sight was regulated for.

[Doc Fill 'Em 67797]

Black powder ammo is usually loaded almost to the top of the case so that the bullet will compress the powder slightly. If you want a lighter load, use less powder and fill the remaining space with corn meal, grits, etc. so you still get powder compression. You can play around with how much less powder you want.

[Preacher Kid]

Ok thanks! Didnt think 70 grains was necessary for a light cody dixon load. I put cream of wheat on my FC loads so that should work.

[Three Foot Johnson]

For Plainsman, then, I guess I shoot a .45 - 40 with a deep seated 405 grain bullet.

[John Boy]

Scroll down to 45-70 ... http://www.goexpowder.com/images/LoadCharts/Cartridge-Rifle.pdf

Again, scroll down to loading data ... http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/shooterstext.html

Add primer, a cardboard - fiber or felt wad and your good to go. And be sure to not crimp the case - only remove the bell

 

J-Bar, the 405 gr takes a charge of 50 and up, 40 is way too light

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Hey wanted to see if anybody has a black powder load for shooting plainsman and cody/dixon with? Im shooting a trapdoor carbine. Thanks a bunch and God bless

Listen to John Boy

OLG

[Lucky R. K.]

I have had good results using the 500 grain Gov't. bullet with 3F powder and about 10 grains less than the 45-70 load.

 

Lucky

 

[Trailrider #896]

Remember, the 70 gr. load was achieved with folded head or balloon head cases. Modern solid head brass doesn't have the case capacity of the original cases. I don't shoot BP, but from some of the published data I would suspect that modern BP has been altered to compensate. The .45-55-405 loading, as was stated above, was accomplished using wadding. For those not familiar with black powder, DO NOT LEAVE ANY AIR SPACE BETWEEN POWDER AND THE BASE OF THE BULLET!

[Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655]

My plainsman load is 2 cc of 2f 2 cc of walnut media a card wad, a homemade wonder wad and a .457 round ball seated just past its equator with a good roll crimp. Shoots about 1 inch 3 rd group at 50 yards. May not load as easily as a longer heavier more or less pointy bullet like a postell but the price is pretty right.

 

Have not got a long range load figured out today. Shot high end trapdoor load with varget and a 415gr .460 Desparado Bullet from Cowboy Bullets. Shot essentially 10 ring goups at 100 yards on a 100 yard reduced target for the normal 200 yard target. by the time I got done screwing around with sight adjustments only had 6 rounds to shoot at 200 at the standard highpower target. Groups not what I had hoped. Long winded response saying no have not figured that out but did get decent zeros on my Navy Arms Rolling Block and Armi Sports sharps.

[Three Foot Johnson]

J-Bar, the 405 gr takes a charge of 50 and up, 40 is way too light

It has proven to be a very accurate Plainsman load out to 100+ yards in an original Trapdoor, and three H&R's.

 

Why would it be way too light? I've experimented with this bullet in a .45 Colt case, and even less powder with good results, other than it's too long to feed through the action of the '92 I was working with.

 

[Knarley Bob]

You know we're not supposed to put load info on the wire but this might give you a clue:

 

45-70

 

 

 

Waimea

 

Not in a 45-70 Gvnt.

[Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880]

My plainsman load is 2 cc of 2f 2 cc of walnut media a card wad, a homemade wonder wad and a .457 round ball seated just past its equator with a good roll crimp. Shoots about 1 inch 3 rd group at 50 yards. May not load as easily as a longer heavier more or less pointy bullet like a postell but the price is pretty right.

 

Have not got a long range load figured out today. Shot high end trapdoor load with varget and a 415gr .460 Desparado Bullet from Cowboy Bullets. Shot essentially 10 ring goups at 100 yards on a 100 yard reduced target for the normal 200 yard target. by the time I got done screwing around with sight adjustments only had 6 rounds to shoot at 200 at the standard highpower target. Groups not what I had hoped. Long winded response saying no have not figured that out but did get decent zeros on my Navy Arms Rolling Block and Armi Sports sharps.

I tried the round ball load today using a 2.2 CC scoop for the 2f and cornmeal in my H&R with a 22" barrel. I used a card wad and Wonder Wad. It shot quite well.

[Brasspounder]

I use a reduced charge of Pyrodex RS or FFg BP topped with Cream-o-Wheat filler, and a .45 Colt 250 grain RNFP revolver

bullet "as cast" (Lyman 454190 with two lube grooves,unsized, cast from wheelweights)

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The bullets drop at about 0.456 (from my mould).and are seated to compress everything

so the charge doesn't migrate into the filler. Filler and powder charge allows correct roll

crimping on the bullet ogive, since this bullet has no crimp groove.

 

No card wads or anything else.

Bullet lubed with an olive-oil/beeswax mix, 1 part oil to 9 parts wax.

 

I shoot Plainsman with an original 1873 "as issued" Trapdoor rifle, The load described is pleasant to shoot and plenty

accurate for the job. You can adjust the actual charge and filler amount for whatever you want.

 

Bp

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Fill the case with about 1/8 compression :-)

Thats how I load mine in my Rolling Block Rifle .

With good result's :-)