Buckshot Dobbs Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 I shoot 200gr RNFP . I load my 44 mag to the crimp grove . I load my 44 specials to the first lube grove . This makes the special just about as long as a mag . But it will still fit in my 44 special Pistols . Works great . This advise was given to me by Nate Kiowa Jones the 92 specialist. And I have never had a issue running ether load. Hope this helps. Thanks much, when mine comes in I will certainly try that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I've been told I shoot mine pretty fast. Have a pic taken at last years Land Run with two empty cases in the air at once(been told that's respectable speed). Did the action work myself and I'll put it up against ANY Marlin for smoothness and speed. Won't un with a '73 but then neither can I lol. Hey - let me know when you can run that 92 in under 2 secs for 10 rounds...or when anyone can run a 92 in under 2 secs. Marlins can run that speed. And smooth? Yea...they're real smooth too! Love seeing all the praise of the 92...but haven't seen any testimonies as to their ability on speed. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pit Bull Tex Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I am a avg. rifle shooter.If one of the fast rifle shooter like Deuce or Possum Skinner or any of the other fast shooters want to show how fast a 92 could be then they would be really fast with the 92.Deuce could smoke the 92 but he is a lot faster with his marlin.I am sure he can run the 66 that he got really fast.I have seen Possum run my 92 really fast but he is faster with his 73.I fast rifle shooter will be fast with a 92,66,73 or a marlin.The avg. shooter like me will be avg. with the 92,66,73 or marlin.My avg. speed with my 92 is slower than my avg. speed with my 73.Shoot what you like or what you can afford.When my shoulder is really hurting I would shoot my 92 because it is a lot lighter.Just shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I've been told I shoot mine pretty fast. Have a pic taken at last years Land Run with two empty cases in the air at once(been told that's respectable speed). Did the action work myself and I'll put it up against ANY Marlin for smoothness and speed. Won't un with a '73 but then neither can I lol. I like the 92. Beautiful rifles. And I've handled some real smooth ones also. But Marlins in my area of the country basically rule the roost, even over some of the finest 66's and 73's around. None of them are slow rifles. But ya just can under estimate a good Marlin. And yes, Deuce holds the rifle speed run. 10 shots in 1.73 seconds using a Spur/Cowboy Carty Marlin. He's probably got a faster time but won't show us mere mortals the video..... And I agree with Phantom. Even the non short stroked Marlins are capable of RELIABLY running sub 2 second 10 shot strings when put in the hands of a good speed shooter. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 trick question in a way to be a fast shooter, one must do many things fast fast thinker fast eye site focus fast reaction times fast movement economy of motion type fast etc back to the question as asked: I was faster with a marlin than my rossi, then I became faster with my 73 than I was with my marlin thats just me, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I've been told I shoot mine pretty fast. Have a pic taken at last years Land Run with two empty cases in the air at once(been told that's respectable speed). Did the action work myself and I'll put it up against ANY Marlin for smoothness and speed. Won't un with a '73 but then neither can I lol. So your 92' can run like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 So your 92' can run like this? Hey Deuce, wouldnt matter if it could......cause I can't.Im an old man now but when I was 19 I could'nt shoot the m16 THAT fast lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Personally never seen ANY lever rifle run that fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hey - let me know when you can run that 92 in under 2 secs for 10 rounds...or when anyone can run a 92 in under 2 secs. Marlins can run that speed. And smooth? Yea...they're real smooth too! Love seeing all the praise of the 92...but haven't seen any testimonies as to their ability on speed. Phantom I will agree that the only lever gun slower than the 92 is the 94, that said I shoot 92’s both Rossi and original Winchester. I just like them better than the much faster 73’s, I’m not a speed shooter and so there is no speed advantage for me that merits buying a faster gun. I’m more into seeing how close to the center of the target I can hit rather than how fast I can hit the target. I also hunt with mine and use loads that would turn that 73 into shrapnel. You will never win with a 92 but it sure feels good in my hands and it’s the gun I prefer. I enjoy watching you speedsters shoot but I’ll just keep poking along laughing and enjoying my style, Shoot what makes you happy and what you can afford at the level you want to shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hey Deuce, wouldnt matter if it could......cause I can't.Im an old man now but when I was 19 I could'nt shoot the m16 THAT fast lol. LOL, much respect for what you were carrying that M 16 for though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederick Jackson Turner Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I enjoy displays of speed, and accuracy. I don't get any extra points for how close to the center of the target I hit in this sport*, so I believe I'll stick to the faster rifle, if you please. And I'm glad you're out, enjoying shooting with your '92! Best, FJT *Except in W3G! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 LOL, much respect for what you were carrying that M 16 for though. DItto! God Bless! ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I enjoy displays of speed, and accuracy. I don't get any extra points for how close to the center of the target I hit in this sport*, so I believe I'll stick to the faster rifle, if you please. And I'm glad you're out, enjoying shooting with your '92! Best, FJT *Except in W3G! When arthritis in my hands from years of martial arts makes speed a thing of the past you take what you can get and enjoy what you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 When during the cycle does you 92 have issues with the 357s? If you can, try ammo with a different OAL and see if the problem goes away. Some 92s have an issue where if the OAL is too long the bullet hits the top of the chamber and the case hits the bottom of the chamber entrance and gets wedged there because the rim has not come up far enough. I have heard of some folks taking a couple of thousandths from the bottom of the chamber edge to assist with this binding but that could be dangerous as this is also the area where the cartridge experiences the most stress. That rifle also had issues feeding 38s. When I took it apart found that someone had been grinding on the cartridge guides and they were beyond repair. Rifle is back at Rossi to have this fixed. Bought it as a newly factory reconditioned but I find it hard to beleive that it left the factory with that much amaturish gunsmithing done to it. When the cartridge tries to enter the chamber, the top front of the bullet jams into the top of the edge of the barrel, and only when I don't have the rifle perfectly vertical. No problems with the .38s, just those .357s. 1.550" OAL on the .38s. Brand new rifle, too. That will always be an issue with the 92. Goes back to the basic design. The 92 action was designed for bottle neck cases. With a smaller neck the case had time to come up in the back before the nose hit the top of the chamber. Straight wall cases do not have this advantage and can get wedged between the top and bottom of the chamber. Unfortunately the only easy fixes I know of are a shorter OAL or a bullet with a more pointed nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hey - let me know when you can run that 92 in under 2 secs for 10 rounds...or when anyone can run a 92 in under 2 secs. Marlins can run that speed. And smooth? Yea...they're real smooth too! Love seeing all the praise of the 92...but haven't seen any testimonies as to their ability on speed. Phantom Nothing wrong with shooting a 92 . Not every one is in the game for speed. Some just love to come out and shoot the guns they grew up seeing on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 So your 92' can run like this? Dang Deuce ! I think Chuck Conners just rolled over and said that boy is fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Nothing wrong with shooting a 92 . Not every one is in the game for speed. Some just love to come out and shoot the guns they grew up seeing on TV. Yes Rooster, but the OP wanted to know about speed comparisons, which now has provided any numbets for lets say time of a average sweep. Which in reality answers his question . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Dobbs Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 My wife shoots a Rossi, and I really like it. I did the Steve Gunz action job on it a year ago for her and she just loves it. Reliable, dependable gun...never had a FTF, only problem she has ever had is if she did not lever it all the way and did not eject the spent case, but other than that been flawless. Well I was thinking of getting myself one for a back up gun, and heard all the grumblings about how slow they are and was just curious how fast folks are that shoot 92's all the time are with them? Gimme some input, times, etc! Now if you shoot a '73, '66, or a Marlin and just want to dog the Rossi, please move on lol. Thanks, BD Yes Rooster, but the OP wanted to know about speed comparisons, which now has provided any numbets for lets say time of a average sweep. Which in reality answers his question . I really didn't ask for a speed comparison at all, just asked how fast folks shoot the Rossi, in fact comparing them is silly, everyone is gonna say they are slower than a Marlin or a '73. Pretty much just wanted times and opinions of folks that shoot a '92 and the Marlin/'73 is the greatest thing since slice bread to debate to stay out, hence the caveat lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Stage times include transitions, variations in the stage setup and other guns. I shot a Rossi 92 .357 with some modifications in speed rifle (ten shots on four targets) in the 6.0-6.5 second range for a couple of regionals. Same setup later on with a Uberti 1873 with lightened springs but no short-stroke 5.2 seconds. Original 1892 in .38-40 tuned only by 90 years of use, 5.8 seconds. The originals do not tend to stovepipe as easily as the Rossi; they look cooler and they increase in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I really didn't ask for a speed comparison at all, just asked how fast folks shoot the Rossi, in fact comparing them is silly, everyone is gonna say they are slower than a Marlin or a '73. Pretty much just wanted times and opinions of folks that shoot a '92 and the Marlin/'73 is the greatest thing since slice bread to debate to stay out, hence the caveat lol Ok, but you did ask how fast. So you were not looking for actual numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Dobbs Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 Ok, but you did ask how fast. So you were not looking for actual numbers? Yes, numbers was exactly what I was looking for, of folks that own Rossi's, shooting Rossi....not compared to Marlins, not '73...............Rossi's lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Younger Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I have a super short stroked 66 as my main gun and a 92 as a backup. I'm not going to say that I can run the 66 bar none faster, but it's EASIER to run faster IMO. I have to concentrate on fully finishing the stroke, and take into account the differing mechanics of the lever itself when I switch from the 66 to the 92. However I believe that a 92 can run quite fast with practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yes, numbers was exactly what I was looking for, of folks that own Rossi's, shooting Rossi....not compared to Marlins, not '73...............Rossi's lol. Well I've made no such comparison nor have I trashed the Rossi, I did respond to another posters comment. If you were looking for the thread to stay on topic you are on the wrong forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yes, numbers was exactly what I was looking for, of folks that own Rossi's, shooting Rossi....not compared to Marlins, not '73...............Rossi's lol. And where are those numbers? And no crying about terribly inaccurate statements regarding the 92 vs the Marlin 1894?? You can't expect folks to not respond...otherwise new folks will get the impression that the 92 is just as good as a Marlin...which it ain't!!!! Cheers! Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 One point that has not been mentioned is cost. For the cost of one 73 or 66 you can afford 3 or 4 92s. The difference is not as bad when it comes to the Marlin but one can still get 2 or 3 92s for the cost of a good Marlin. I think we can all agree that all 4 rifle types have their pros and cons. What I do wonder is what the speed difference would be if the 66 or 73 was not short stroked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 One point that has not been mentioned is cost. For the cost of one 73 or 66 you can afford 3 or 4 92s. The difference is not as bad when it comes to the Marlin but one can still get 2 or 3 92s for the cost of a good Marlin. I think we can all agree that all 4 rifle types have their pros and cons. What I do wonder is what the speed difference would be if the 66 or 73 was not short stroked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'm guessing the short stroke makes most of the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Wanted Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I believe if the gun was worth short stroking someone would have done it by now . Heck maybe they do for all I know . I have shot a worked on Rossi 92 and a bone stock 73 . The 73 was miles ahead . The OP was very simple . Give me your times . Maybe he should have ask for the grains of sand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I believe if the gun was worth short stroking someone would have done it by now . Heck maybe they do for all I know . I have shot a worked on Rossi 92 and a bone stock 73 . The 73 was miles ahead . The OP was very simple . Give me your times . Maybe he should have ask for the grains of sand . There is a reason the 1892 exists JMB didn't design junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 When it comes to numbers, they can be fairly useless.........unless there is a format established for the test. ------------- Is it ....... ? ? ? 10 shots on 1 target 10 shots on 2 targets 10 shots on 3 targets and so on. What's the distance? What's the starting position? What guns fits the shooter's body type? All the rifles mentioned have different stock drops and shapes. Straight stock, pistol grip. Short barrel, long barrel. Standardize the format on the targets then let the shooter specify the rifle characteristics they want to use. I myself have only used 1 rifle since 1992. I shoot a Rossi Model 1892 38/357 carbine. (for the most part. I do occasionally bring out a Henry 1860 Uberti) This happened because before I got in to cas, I had 7 model 92s in my safe. I personally think the speed of shooting the rifle or any gun is the physical ability of the specific shooter to manipulate the guns at speed with control. Some of this can be trained in. Some just comes naturally. And the best part is everyone can enjoy this sport doing the best they with what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Wanted Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Try sticking a 454 Casull in that vaunted 73 and see what you have left. There is a reason the 92 exists and there were over 5 million that’s million Model 94’s made. The gun does what it was made to do it's not the fastest but it will do the job Don't get all worked up . The question was regarding a Rossi speed times not strength . If you want to talk about strength I have a Weatherby 460 that will bi$ch slap that 94 . I know exactly how fast I have shot my 73 from table and port of arms . My guess and I could be wrong is that the reason the Numbers have been somewhat absent is most people that shoot the 92 are not shooting it for speed . It seems you and others keep defending the 92 but can't answer the OPs question . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Don't get all worked up . The question was regarding a Rossi speed times not strength . If you want to talk about strength I have a Weatherby 460 that will bi$ch slap that 94 . I know exactly how fast I have shot my 73 from table and port of arms . My guess and I could be wrong is that the reason the Numbers have been somewhat absent is most people that shoot the 92 are not shooting it for speed . It seems you and others keep defending the 92 but can't answer the OPs question . Your a little slow on the draw I already edited out that comment. The 73 is no doubt the gun for the go fast guys no arguement about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 One point that has not been mentioned is cost. For the cost of one 73 or 66 you can afford 3 or 4 92s. The difference is not as bad when it comes to the Marlin but one can still get 2 or 3 92s for the cost of a good Marlin. I think we can all agree that all 4 rifle types have their pros and cons. What I do wonder is what the speed difference would be if the 66 or 73 was not short stroked? A non-short stroked 73 has been used twice by a Texas shooter to win the Overall at EoT in the last few years... It's the action's design...geeze... Funny how folks always want to start threads praising the 92 without anyone telling them that the 92 has no clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Wanted Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Your a little slow on the draw I already edited out that comment. The 73 is no doubt the gun for the go fast guys no arguement about that You are also correct . I have hunted with my 94 and have no plans of loading up my 73 to hunting standard loads . See ya on the range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Well I've made no such comparison nor have I trashed the Rossi, I did respond to another posters comment. If you were looking for the thread to stay on topic you are on the wrong forum. also if you were looking for actual speed run numbers, ya could have ben more specific just sayin when I had a rossi I was not fast at all with it I could shoot a (stock) marlin rifle faster the very first time I picked it up, and then the same was true for the stock 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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