Manassas Jack Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Shooter always loads rifle with one more round than called for. When shooting the string, if they jack out a live one then they use the extra loaded round. If it is not needed then it is ejected at the end of the string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 No call...other then perhaps this person should practice a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missouri Marshal SASS #50682 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If they use it then it is a "P" plus a miss for use of illegally acquired ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 A "P" plus misses for any targets hit with illegally accuired ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 yup, not a good thing to do, the marshal and smokestack are absolutely right! pb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yup, jacked out round must be replaced from shooters person per page 19 of the RO I 24. Ammunition dropped by a shooter in the course of loading or reloading any firearm during a stage or “ejected” is considered “dead” and may not be recovered until the shooter completes the course of fire. The round must be replaced from the shooter’s person or other area as required by stage description, or if the round is not fired it is counted as a missed shot. The P for use of illegally aquired ammo is on page 20 33. Failure to stage guns or ammunition at the designated position(s) or location(s) is the fault of the competitor and scored as a procedural unless the competitor is able to correct the situation, unassisted, while in the process of completing the stage under time. The penalty for using "illegally acquired" ammunition (i.e. NOT carried to the line/staged by the shooter in an approved manner) will be a PROCEDURAL. Any targets hit using that ammo will be scored as MISSES. NO adjustments will be made to the stage raw time And the miss is covered on page 23 under 5 second penalties • Each target hit with “illegally acquired” ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Also reference Palewolfs write up on the subject HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 "ALWAYS" overloads the rifle? That's interesting because it's not illegally acquired or illegally carried by definition of the rule. Also, I have to agree with Phantom because an overloaded rifle that is cleared prior to the next gun can be cleared without penalty. NO CALL... next shooter. But, I question the SOG of a shooter that legally exploits the rule on a continuous basis. EDIT: Now where the heck did you find that, Grizzer? THanks! I'm glad I'm wrong as it just seemed wrong but couldn't find a ruling (go figure.. how can we still have 3 rulebooks AND a secret bunker?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 the p and miss were added to stop people from "allways overloading". P, miss, next shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 "ALWAYS" overloads the rifle? That's interesting because it's not illegally acquired or illegally carried by definition of the rule. Also, I have to agree with Phantom because an overloaded rifle that is cleared prior to the next gun can be cleared without penalty. NO CALL... next shooter. But, I question the SOG of a shooter that legally exploits the rule on a continuous basis. EDIT: Now where the heck did you find that, Grizzer? THanks! I'm glad I'm wrong as it just seemed wrong but couldn't find a ruling (go figure.. how can we still have 3 rulebooks AND a secret bunker?) I remembered that PWB had made a clarification so I did a google for 'Palewolf overloading' and that was the first thing that popped up. Amazing I can remember that, but forget what that little bump on the front of my six guns is for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Oops...wrong again. I must be gittin old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Oops...wrong again. I must be gittin old... If we were perfect, they would have to pay us more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 It's considered "illegally acquired" because the extra round required for replacement of the one that is ejected was brought to the line in an unacceptable manner (i.e. pre-loaded in the magazine of the rifle). The circumstance cited in the OP was specifically mentioned during the ROC Summit discussions re: how to handle the USE OF ILLEGALLY ACQUIRED AMMO. = P + MISS The SHB specifies the ONLY "legal" methods of bringing ammo for stage reloads to the line. REF: SHB p.11 FWIW - That clarification doc is NOT stored in any "secret bunker". The website where my archived docs are posted is open to public access. It has been referred to here on the Wire(s) numerous times, along with the "Shooter's Choice" article published in the Cowboy Chronicle (printed 2X) regarding ejecting a round from a rifle mid-string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Some folks know just enough to be dangerous. Had a guy ask me a very similar question Saturday. It was a stage that MIGHT require a single rifle reload. One fellow (not a bad sort, just thinking on his feet without total comprehension of the rule) suggested he might load 11 just in case he drew the reload, he would already be set. I explained that in order to avoid penalty, he'd have to first eject the 11th round, then do the reload anyway. He chose to load only the required 10. Just in case you are wondering, this was a Christmas scenario. At the beginning of the stage you had to pick a 'gift' bag. If it contained 2 shotshells, you shot only 2 shotgun targets, but after engaging the rifle targets had to do a single rifle reload and engage a rifle target again. If it contained 4 shotshells, you shot 4 shotgun targets, but didn't have to do the rifle reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I agree with everybody.........at this time A P + miss and Phantom is gittin old....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Allie - A Pinned Topic to cut down on Wire traffic PaleWolf's RO Corner ... http://www.oowss.com/ROCornerIndex.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 So the next logical question is . . . . . . . . . . . . How Old is Phantom!!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 No call...other then perhaps this person should practice a bit. WRONG!!!!! Go to the blackboard and write "I Was Wrong" 25 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 North of 50. My thoughts were on the overloading rule... And I still work for a living...so perhaps I get a bit tired at night...and yes, we all know that my response was wrong...many posts ago. oy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 And if shooter is always loading one more than he should. Sounds like he needs pulled to the side and have a little talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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