Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 It will never happen, but was interesting to listen to. MT http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7mUNVRNO.nYAbFRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyYWZrY2pqBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0g0NjZfODA-/SIG=135eqcoun/EXP=1309911405/**http%3a//abclocal.go.com/kabc/story%3fsection=news/local/inland_empire%26id=8227419 http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7m_zVRNOBDsAr7hXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyMjJlb3NyBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0g0NjZfODA-/SIG=1414e68ib/EXP=1309911635/**http%3a//www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/03/county-supervisor-proposes-51st-state-cut-out-southern-california/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Where do all the anti gun legistlators live? Or should i ask where are their districts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 There have been numerous pushes to divide North and South Florida over the years. That will never happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 There have been various discussions since at least the 60s about dividing California into two states. A lot of "Northeners" resent all their tax money being sucked into that vortex down south with very little used for local projects. Then there was (is) the Peripheral Canal thing to divert water from the Bay Area to the LA area back in the 70s that recently was discussed again. First I've heard of a SoCalian politician wanting to break away from the north, usually the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMJ#89586 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'm glad I don't live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Ears Wilson, SASS #77948 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'd rather split it lengthwise. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Rats, I thought maybe crook county waz gonna divide from the sane part of Illinois.... Rats CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danite SASS #27034 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 No. Since Ohio isn't a state that would still only be 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sloe Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Are we sure they want to be the 51st state and not a northern state of Mexico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danite SASS #27034 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Are we sure they want to be the 51st state and not a northern state of Mexico? Nah. The majority of the populatin would just move again if you did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowhand Bob, 24229 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'm still waiting for mother nature to divide them into a separate continent. I think a great new name for them should then be The Peoples Republic of East China, little doubt this would bring Red China to their knees in very short order. No entity has the cash required to fill that giant hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Solo Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Why would a politian from Southern California want to separate from the North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 No. Since Ohio isn't a state that would still only be 50. don't forget the President said he visited all 57 states but one during the campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOCBRAZOS, SASS#18033L Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Be more worried about 3x Million voteing unemployed Porto Rican's. I'd much rather see Texas divide into 5 states and geve us a whole bunch of new senators! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliope Cupcake #13981 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'd rather split it lengthwise. I think quarters is better---then we'll have northerners and southerners both with coastal folks [West] and inland folks [East] and beleive me those 4 types exist in this state...along with a plethora of others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Interesting. First time I'd ever heard of the southern part splitting off though. More than a few years ago, the northern part wanted to split off and form its own state called, "Jefferson." It actually had some momentum and might have happened. Then WWII happened and the plans got shelved. Even so, if it DID happen, I maintain that North California should not call itself Jefferson, but Calisota. Kudo's to anyone who knows why that name.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouchy Greg, SASS#71981 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 The rest of Virginia would love for the counties of Occupied Northern Virginia to secede. We wouldn't miss'em one little bit. They don't like guns, they don't like shooting ranges, hunting or hunters, and they want to suck the rest of the state dry of tax money to fund their never-ending pet road projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jittery Jim Jonah, SASS #64913L Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Where do all the anti gun legistlators live? Or should i ask where are their districts? If this were to occur you would have a very conservative Republican pro-gun state..... Every county suggested is decidedly Republication in every election. JJJ-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd Krystin Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Interesting. First time I'd ever heard of the southern part splitting off though. More than a few years ago, the northern part wanted to split off and form its own state called, "Jefferson." It actually had some momentum and might have happened. Then WWII happened and the plans got shelved. Even so, if it DID happen, I maintain that North California should not call itself Jefferson, but Calisota. Kudo's to anyone who knows why that name.... The State of Jefferson was also to include parts of Southern Oregon. Some of us SASS members are also in a re-enactors group called the State of Jefferson Vigilance Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jake1001 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Interesting. First time I'd ever heard of the southern part splitting off though. More than a few years ago, the northern part wanted to split off and form its own state called, "Jefferson." It actually had some momentum and might have happened. Then WWII happened and the plans got shelved. Even so, if it DID happen, I maintain that North California should not call itself Jefferson, but Calisota. Kudo's to anyone who knows why that name.... I'm guessing Calisota has to do with California and Minnesota. Living in Anaheim next to Disneyland, towns like Duckburg, Mouseton, Spoonerville, mean something to any avid reader of Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewey, Louie. Am I getting close here? Big Jake.......wife works at Disneyland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 don't forget the President said he visited all 57 states but one during the campaign And that he wasn't including AK and HI, which he didn't plan to visit. ADDED: CA could, and perhaps should, be reasonably cut into 3 states based on similar geomorphic provinces. Starting in the SW, the Peninsular and Transverse Ranges along with the Colorado and Mojave deserts to make up one. Then, up the coast, and the Coast Klamath, and Cascade Ranges make up another. Maybe the Modoc Plateau in that one, which would then make it reasonable to put the NE corner of the Basin & Range province in there too. The Great Valley, Sierra, and Basin & Range provinces would make up the last. Not perfect, and there could be some tweaking,but in general, it would be a more reasonable division. See: http://www.classbrain.com/artstate/uploads/ca-landform1.jpg for a map of the geomorphic provinces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Chris Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 There is an cool show on the History Channel called "How the States Got Their Shapes", and interestingly enough the show on tonight is about the different cultures within states and how they want to split up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Even so, if it DID happen, I maintain that North California should not call itself Jefferson, but Calisota. Kudo's to anyone who knows why that name.... hmmm......Could it be Mr. Brannans spoonerism on making the north end of the Napa Valley the "Saratoga of California?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliope Cupcake #13981 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 many SoCal folks are sick of being governed by NorCal folks. The problems and needs are very different. For one, we have an international border down here and they don't. Not sure splitting would help tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danite SASS #27034 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 many SoCal folks are sick of being governed by NorCal folks. The problems and needs are very different. For one, we have an international border down here and they don't. Not sure splitting would help tho Really! So cal is tired of being governed by norcal votes????? Just where are you dividing the state to get that outcome????? I should think that Oregon and Nevada have the international border now........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Really! So cal is tired of being governed by norcal votes????? Just where are you dividing the state to get that outcome????? I should think that Oregon and Nevada have the international border now........ There is a lot of truth to her comment. If you look at the main movers and shakers in the CA Legislature for the past 20 years, you will see a disproportionate number out of the San Francisco Burton Machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Mushman Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Actually, the central valley (most of), mountain, basin and desert folks are tired of the governance by the leftist, anti-s on the urban-centric coast. The proposal for east-west division has also been brought up before. The business tax base hadn't been there, but at the rate the state is running businesses and the tax paying middle class out (net loss of population for three consecutive years-never had ONE before - and the last aerospace company headquarters left last year!), an eastern California with business-friendly policies and basic rights would save them from having to go very far east to Texas or other states that have figured out economics and freedom. I had planned to retire here, but with the death spiral tightening, I'm watching, supporting growth and voting. Cant wait forever, however. Just the view from my saddle - I've lived in 8 states and spent time in all the others. Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danite SASS #27034 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Huh. I never considered San Francisco as "northern" California. I always have counted it in the granola world I guess. I even lived for awhile in/around Monterey which I did consider to be northern. Next you'll be telling me that San Francisco is actually way west of Los Angeles....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliope Cupcake #13981 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Next you'll be telling me that San Francisco is actually way west of Los Angeles....... good point D. let's just divide it NW and SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Morgan Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Just leave that little tip off the coast all alone and things will be fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Ya'll CA folks whine all ya like. Ever thought about us rural, conservative Northern NY folks (totally disenfranchised at any level above county government), and how we BLEW IT OUT THE WAZOO by NOT joining forces with VT when we had the chance 200+ years ao. They told us "NYC won't dominate, we'll always have the capital in Albany" Uh, hello, take Albany AND NYC and give em to Joisey if ya like....... Meanwhile, we "flannel animals" abide the best we can..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Skinner Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 We have the same problems in Illinois with the Urban wing nuts dominating the rest of the State. I knew we were lost several years ago when the Wingnuts in Democrat dominated Chicago elected a Chicago Republican for Governor (He's in jail right now) rather than a Downstate Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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