CA to stop selling gas-powered cars by 2035

[Subdeacon Joe]

On 8/27/2022 at 6:56 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Didn't know that, I know the hybrids shut off and so does some gas engines, my son has one that has a start stop engine.

 

https://climatebiz.com/how-long-can-an-electric-car-idle/

 

"She stated that if your car used 2kW of power for climate control, a half-full battery would still last 10 hours. " That, per the article, is based on the Nissan Leaf.  At work I sit in my car at break and lunch. We recently had several days around 100 degrees.  Sitting in the car, windows closed, AC running and set to 70, fan running at half speed, radio on, it costs me about 2 miles of range.  That's about 75 minutes of running the AC.  

[Rye Miles #13621]

1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I just can’t see electric heat with a blower motor being a minuscule amount when it’s below 0F .

The few people I have known in Mi that have electric heat in the home have astronomical bills in the winter 

That’s totally different from an EV battery. 

[Buckshot Bob]

2 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

That’s totally different from an EV battery. 

I guess I don’t understand how ? A battery is just a storage device. You charge it from a transmission line , the home heat is getting it directly from the transmission line . Given a heating coil was drawing the same amount I guess I don’t see how the battery would be more efficient than the transmission line it was charged from . I’d think if anything you would lose something with the battery 

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I just can’t see electric heat with a blower motor being a minuscule amount when it’s below 0F .

The few people I have known in Mi that have electric heat in the home have astronomical bills in the winter 

 

Oh, people in EVs stuck in the snow freeze to death in 30 seconds.

 

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/traffic-snowstorm-electric-car

 

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/traffic-snowstorm-electric-car/

 

clever writer at Inside Hook last week decided to conduct an experiment to explore the question of how well an EV would perform stuck in the cold for hours. Alex Lauer borrowed a Ford Mustang Mach-E for his test. He drove the car for a few miles, then got “stuck on the highway” in his driveway in 13-degree-Fahrenheit cold.

A Ford spokesperson suggested he rely on the heated steering wheel and seats for warmth. But Lauer wanted to “keep the cabin warm enough that even backseat passengers would be comfortable.” So, he alternated “using only the footwell heating as well as the full-on blast from the footwell and dashboard vents, toggling between 70 and 75 degrees.”

After 12 hours of idling, Lauer writes that the Mach-E retained 75% of its charge and 132 miles of range.

Norwegian YouTuber Bjorn Nyland performed a similar experiment with a Tesla Model 3 Performance model, running its heater for 72 hours in a Norwegian winter before the battery depleted.

 

 

And

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/01/07/stranded-overnight-on-a-snow-clogged-interstate--tech-should-have-saved-you/

On the plus side, and EV can keep you warm quite well. Most EVs have electric seat heaters, which will keep one side of you toasty and keep you alive, even if the other side gets cold. They only draw about 60 watts (per seat) but a 20% degraded EV battery can provide that from full for almost a month! (That’s not true in a TeslaTSLA, which won’t turn on the seat heater without running he computer, and the computer draws 240 watts and would only last a week.) 

 

Yep.  Your battery drains to zero instantly, you are dead in 30 seconds, and it will cost your estate $1200 to recharge the car 

 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

44 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I guess I don’t understand how ? A battery is just a storage device. You charge it from a transmission line , the home heat is getting it directly from the transmission line . Given a heating coil was drawing the same amount I guess I don’t see how the battery would be more efficient than the transmission line it was charged from . I’d think if anything you would lose something with the battery 

If you don’t believe the article that’s your choice. I’m don’t know what else to say other than I don’t think you know anything about EVs !

[Buckshot Bob]

4 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Oh, people in EVs stuck in the snow freeze to death in 30 seconds.

 

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/traffic-snowstorm-electric-car/

 

And

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/01/07/stranded-overnight-on-a-snow-clogged-interstate--tech-should-have-saved-you/

On the plus side, and EV can keep you warm quite well. Most EVs have electric seat heaters, which will keep one side of you toasty and keep you alive, even if the other side gets cold. They only draw about 60 watts (per seat) but a 20% degraded EV battery can provide that from full for almost a month! (That’s not true in a TeslaTSLA, which won’t turn on the seat heater without running he computer, and the computer draws 240 watts and would only last a week.) 

 

Yep.  Your battery drains to zero instantly, you are dead in 30 seconds, and it will cost your estate $1200 to recharge the car 

 

 

Never said 30 seconds , just said electric heat is extremely inefficient. I’ve got seat heaters in both my vehicles, even a heated steering wheel in one and if the heater wasn’t working they certainly wouldn’t keep you warm in the winter and they certainly wouldn’t keep your windows defrosted “ the thing you have to have” where you can see where your going . With the tec they have now I just don’t see EV’s being well suited to cold weather climates . You have to be able to heat the entire car up to defrost/de ice your windows in the winter before you can go anywhere ,  and keep them defrosted to see where your going and electric heat is very inefficient. Heat is a byproduct of a petroleum engine .

EV’s just simply aren’t there yet. Maybe some day they can outclass the passenger car then something that will haul more than 4 people and some groceries. But now for me I just see too many downsides . One of the pluses I see is easy all wheel drive . I live in the country and the roads are not always plowed in the winter , I have a 4 WD truck and my wife has a Subaru Outback, she’s a nurse and can’t call in because the weather is bad , so for us it’s a requirement. 
 

I know you have stated you have a ev , I just don’t get why you get so offended when people point out their shortcomings. I understand it works for you and I’m glad it does . But I can tell you they wouldn’t work for me , and even if they get to the point they do I wouldn’t buy one until they are competitively priced and can be refueled with the same speed/convenience. To me a vehicle is a money pit , it’s all about the capability it gives me for the initial purchase price + maintenance. 
I’ve driven a Tesla and they are nice , but for the price of one I can get a very nice 4 WD truck and for allot less I can get a very nice passenger car . And I’m interested to see long term what the cost of ownership is going to be over 200, 000 mi for a ev vs something like a Toyota Corolla . But I’m also the guy who won’t buy the first model year of any vehicle I tend to go for vehicles near the end of a series when they’ve worked most of the kinks out . 
 

I just looked up a Tesla model y all wheel drive and a loaded Subaru Forester, pretty comparable in size both awd . The Tesla was the cheaper model and the Subaru was the completely loaded and the Subaru is 23,000 cheaper . And as far as capabilities and maintenance goes if someone was to tell me I could have either one but I had to drive it for 10 years , I’m taking the Subaru. 
23,000 buys allot of gas even at Brandon prices 

[Buckshot Bob]

13 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

If you don’t believe the article that’s your choice. I’m don’t know what else to say other than I don’t think you know anything about EVs !

But I do know about electricity, electronics and batteries. But your right I don’t know much about EV’s . Every time you transfer power even it the most efficient systems their is a loss . 

[Cypress Sun]

1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

"She stated that if your car used 2kW of power for climate control, a half-full battery would still last 10 hours. " That, per the article, is based on the Nissan Leaf.  At work I sit in my car at break and lunch. We recently had several days around 100 degrees.  Sitting in the car, windows closed, AC running and set to 70, fan running at half speed, radio on, it costs me about 2 miles of range.  That's about 75 minutes of running the AC.  

 

Wait...are you saying that you get an hour and twenty-five minutes for lunch?

 

DAMN!! 

[Rye Miles #13621]

20 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said:

But I do know about electricity, electronics and batteries. But your right I don’t know much about EV’s . Every time you transfer power even it the most efficient systems their is a loss . 

True enough But as the article says very little , Apparently the batteries for the EVs are designed to minimize drainage?? Just guessing here……

[Buckshot Bob]

1 minute ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

True enough But as the article says very little , Apparently the batteries for the EVs are designed to minimize drainage?? Just guessing here……

My point is a battery is just a storage device, that gets worse the more it’s used , running anything electric it draws whatever that item draws it doesn’t care where the power is coming from , but it does care how clean the power is . And all of these times are pretty subjective. It all depends on the load put on the system. 
On plenty of occasions during a Mi winter I’ve had to run the defrosters pretty hard during a snow storm to keep the windows clear enough to see . So do that with your EV going down I-75 at 80mph or more so you’re not an obstacle in traffic , at night with all your lights on , because it’s winter and it’s always dark , with a battery that’s half way through its service life and see what happens to the range you have . 

[Still hand Bill]

3 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

But What About The AC?

However, if you’re stuck in traffic on a sweltering or freezing day, you’ll need to use your car’s climate control. Sure, that draws power from the battery, but it’s a minuscule amount. 

This is from the article.

Ac was 2-4kw of power.  Heat was around 4 kw.   No minuscule, but a lot less than driving.   At 75 mph motor usage is around 35kw.  
cold is a huge issue for ev’s.  Batteries loose capacity, ir goes up, and they need conditioning to maintain battery temperature.   You loose 30%+ in range when it’s cold.  I had one instance where I was getting 2 m/kwh in 10 deg weather.  Normal is 4 when it’s 80.  This means you have to have a much larger battery than for optimal conditions if you want full range all the time, not just summer.  Note this isn’t much of an issue in CA.  

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said:

guess I don’t understand how ?

 

Let's see..... heating, what, 25000 cubic feet, running a bunch of lights, television, washer, electric dryer, dishwasher, computers, toasters, maybe stove and oven versus heating maybe 100 cubic feet in a car....

 

Yeah, no difference at all.

[Subdeacon Joe]

38 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

Wait...are you saying that you get an hour and twenty-five minutes for lunch?

 

DAMN!! 

 

You missed me saying and breaks.

[Buckshot Bob]

9 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Let's see..... heating, what, 25000 cubic feet, running a bunch of lights, television, washer, electric dryer, dishwasher, computers, toasters, maybe stove and oven versus heating maybe 100 cubic feet in a car....

 

Yeah, no difference at all.

My point was electric heat is very inefficient. Any given electric item is going to draw what it’s going to draw to do the job it’s designed for , if it’s from a transmission line or a battery. Except the battery has far more limitations than the transmission line . Very few people use electricity to heat a home because it is so inefficient and costly. That doesn’t change when the same technology is used in a vehicle. It just gets worse because of the limited voltage amperage and supply. 

[Subdeacon Joe]

14 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said:

My point was electric heat is very inefficient. Any given electric item is going to draw what it’s going to draw to do the job it’s designed for , if it’s from a transmission line or a battery. Except the battery has far more limitations than the transmission line . Very few people use electricity to heat a home because it is so inefficient and costly. That doesn’t change when the same technology is used in a vehicle. It just gets worse because of the limited voltage amperage and supply. 

 

 

You're going from, paraphrasing here, "Well, what if they are stuck in snow?  That battery will last 30 seconds and the people inside will freeze!!!!"  to

 

"But electric heat isn't as efficient as using waste heat from an ICE!!!!" thereby changing the the focus, plus throwing in the red herring comparing heating a car to what it costs to heat a house in some of the most extreme winter temperatures in continental US, and avoiding anything that might contradict your view that anyone stuck in winter conditions in an EV will freeze to death almost instantly because the battery will be at zero as soon as the car stops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

3 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

But What About The AC?

However, if you’re stuck in traffic on a sweltering or freezing day, you’ll need to use your car’s climate control. Sure, that draws power from the battery, but it’s a minuscule amount. 

This is from the article.

It's all relative:

 

It's miniscule if you're in an urban setting with plenty of power to get home or to the next charging station.

 

It's miniscule if you're an engineer looking at calculations and projections.

 

It's miniscule if you're an industry salesman or a green energy politician.

 

It ain't likely to be miniscule if you're stuck in stop-and-go traffic or in a construction zone on a sunny day in the southern U.S., or if you're in a stream of cars stuck on an evacuation route ahead of an oncoming hurricane or fire.

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

It's all relative:

 

It's miniscule if you're in an urban setting with plenty of power to get home or to the next charging station.

 

It's miniscule if you're an engineer looking at calculations and projections.

 

It's miniscule if you're an industry salesman or a green energy politician.

 

It ain't likely to be miniscule if you're stuck in stop-and-go traffic or in a construction zone on a sunny day in the southern U.S., or if you're in a stream of cars stuck on an evacuation route ahead of an oncoming hurricane or fire.

 

 

As I mentioned above, 75 minutes of AC in 100 degrees and cooling my car to 70 degrees during my lunch and coffee breaks cost me 2 miles of range.  Maybe if I'm stuck in that Southern California traffic for four days of Santa Ana conditions it wouldn't be miniscule.

[Buckshot Bob]

3 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

 

You're going from, paraphrasing here, "Well, what if they are stuck in snow?  That battery will last 30 seconds and the people inside will freeze!!!!"  to

 

"But electric heat isn't as efficient as using waste heat from an ICE!!!!" thereby changing the the focus, plus throwing in the red herring comparing heating a car to what it costs to heat a house in some of the most extreme winter temperatures in continental US, and avoiding anything that might contradict your view that anyone stuck in winter conditions in an EV will freeze to death almost instantly because the battery will be at zero as soon as the car stops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No red herring here . My home comparison was no one uses electric heat in a home because it’s the most costly way to heat a home . It’s just not efficient for what electricity costs compared to other forms of energy. That doesn’t change when you use the same technology in a car . 
Your the one who bought up the 30 second time limit , why I don’t know. My point is cold dark climates greatly reduce the efficiency batteries and of a electric vehicle. Which already has very limited range when compared to a gas car in a warm climate. Like I stated in a previous post go 80 mph when it’s snowing hard below freezing so you have to run your defrosters hard at night to keep the windows clear so you can see , with your lights on , with a battery that’s half way through it’s usable life and is being made even more inefficient by the cold and see what happens to your range vs a sunny 60 degree day . 
Look at how long traditional car batteries last in warm vs cold climates . The ev batteries will be the same 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

As I mentioned above, 75 minutes of AC in 100 degrees and cooling my car to 70 degrees during my lunch and coffee breaks cost me 2 miles of range.  Maybe if I'm stuck in that Southern California traffic for four days of Santa Ana conditions it wouldn't be miniscule.

My daughter-in-law was on the road for around 20 hours in 95+ temps evacuating from a hurricane. How’s the minuscule evaluation apply to that?

 

It’s never a big deal until it is. 

[Rip Snorter]

Just remember, California has its faults, and they may even become useful at some point.

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

This was sent to me from a SASS member. One needs to watch all of it to make a comment. I'm staying out of any comments.

 

[Sedalia Dave]

10 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I guess I don’t understand how ? A battery is just a storage device. You charge it from a transmission line , the home heat is getting it directly from the transmission line . Given a heating coil was drawing the same amount I guess I don’t see how the battery would be more efficient than the transmission line it was charged from . I’d think if anything you would lose something with the battery 

 

 

8 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said:

My point was electric heat is very inefficient. Any given electric item is going to draw what it’s going to draw to do the job it’s designed for , if it’s from a transmission line or a battery. Except the battery has far more limitations than the transmission line . Very few people use electricity to heat a home because it is so inefficient and costly. That doesn’t change when the same technology is used in a vehicle. It just gets worse because of the limited voltage amperage and supply. 

 

It's like SDJ said. A 2000 sq ft house contains about 14,000 cu feet of air when you take into account all the walls The interior of a Teslsa model Y is a about 150 cu ft. This is about 1% the volume of a house. So the EV battery has to heat or cool a space 99% smaller than a house.

 

That same Tesla battery has enough capacity to heat a modern all electric house for about 4 hours. 

 

BTW Electric resistive heaters are almost 100% efficient. Almost all  of power used consumed is directly converted to heat. The reason an all electric house costs so much to heat is because electricity costs significantly more per BTU than natural gas or propane.

[Subdeacon Joe]

7 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

My daughter-in-law was on the road for around 20 hours in 95+ temps evacuating from a hurricane. How’s the minuscule evaluation apply to that?

 

It’s never a big deal until it is. 

 

That would be, applying my numbers, maybe about 40 miles of range.

 

But, yeah, gas cars NEVER run out of gas and running the AC doesn't use any extra gas.

[Subdeacon Joe]

5 hours ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said:

This was sent to me from a SASS member. One needs to watch all of it to make a comment. I'm staying out of any comments.

 

 

Thanks.  It shows that our technology isn't frozen at 1939.  

 

 

ADDED:

 

Hello Fresh isn't worth it.  

[Ozark Huckleberry]

7 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

That would be, applying my numbers, maybe about 40 miles of range.

 

But, yeah, gas cars NEVER run out of gas and running the AC doesn't use any extra gas.

Numbers vary -- AAA research across various models says a 17% drop in range, Tesla (probably a bit optimistic since they have skin in the game) says only about 1%. As long as they're not between your car and a widely-scattered charging station, 40 miles isn't much at all.

 

I can refill an empty gas tank in 5 minutes. I can haul gas to a stranded car in a container. What do you do for an EV?

 

 

A few isolated EVs that deplete their batteries in an evacuation stream would be minor problems. An significant number in an evacuation stream doing so would guarantee the route would be stalled for days.

 

On the whole you are correct, of course. For the vast majority of people, living out their daily routines, the inconveniences distinctive to an EV are largely irrelevant. I've said before, if it wasn't for the financial advantages in already having a reliable vehicle that was paid off years ago, an EV would make a lot of sense for my situation.

 

But the utopic world of renewable energy doesn't really have the answer to the 'what ifs' of reality, other than reassurance that, 'It's not likely to be a problem.' It's never a problem -- until it is.

[Subdeacon Joe]

6 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

But the utopic world of internal combustion doesn't really have the answer to the 'what ifs' of reality, other than reassurance that, 'It's not likely to be a problem.' It's never a problem -- until it is.

 

As I said, internal combustion cars never run out of fuel.  Gas stations never run out and there are never lines.  NOTHING is a perfect solution.  

 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

52 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

As I said, internal combustion cars never run out of fuel.  Gas stations never run out and there are never lines.  NOTHING is a perfect solution.  

 

Okie dokie, so let's just go to ground truth.

 

If you found you had to evacuate and knew there would be thousands of other cars jamming the road with you (think two hours just to get out of the city), and you had no solid idea of how long you'd be on the road, just how far you'd have to go beyond your region, where you'd wind up or when you'd get to return, or what infrastructure would be intact when you return.

 

Would you choose to evacuate in an EV, or ICV?

[Buckshot Bob]

8 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

 

 

It's like SDJ said. A 2000 sq ft house contains about 14,000 cu feet of air when you take into account all the walls The interior of a Teslsa model Y is a about 150 cu ft. This is about 1% the volume of a house. So the EV battery has to heat or cool a space 99% smaller than a house.

 

That same Tesla battery has enough capacity to heat a modern all electric house for about 4 hours. 

 

BTW Electric resistive heaters are almost 100% efficient. Almost all  of power used consumed is directly converted to heat. The reason an all electric house costs so much to heat is because electricity costs significantly more per BTU than natural gas or propane.

I wasn’t comparing heating large or small areas . I was showing it as an example of how inefficient electric used to generate heat is . Just about any commonly used fuel is more efficient . And just because you use it in a small space doesn’t make it efficient. If you can get the same amount of work for less cost it’s simply more efficient . Maybe some day if we have more nuke and hydro it will be cheap enough to be a competitive energy source for heating a living space 

[Still hand Bill]

In regards to heat, some ev’s use heat pumps instead of resistance for heating.  Problem with heat pumps is they a struggle in really cold temps.   Also resistive heat is easier to build and is probably cheaper.  Cost matters a lot in building cars.  A real world example, ford did two different front suspensions for the ranger as it was cheaper by $6 on the 2nd vs 4wd.  If a oem will tool a whole new design for $6 cost savings, cost is a huge driver of design.  At the time they were selling 200k/year, so $6 was a savings of $1.2 million per year for the 6-8 years of the program.  

[Buckshot Bob]

17 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

Okie dokie, so let's just go to ground truth.

 

If you found you had to evacuate and knew there would be thousands of other cars jamming the road with you (think two hours just to get out of the city), and you had no solid idea of how long you'd be on the road, just how far you'd have to go beyond your region, where you'd wind up or when you'd get to return, or what infrastructure would be intact when you return.

 

Would you choose to evacuate in an EV, or ICV?

Gas , the typical icv has far more range plus you can carry extra fuel. 
Allot of people just don’t want to admit or don’t realize electric vehicles aren’t ready for prime time yet. Right now they are a novelty that isn’t really practical for most Americans. If it was that good people would be embracing them , and the government wouldn’t need to be offering a tax credit to sell them . Plus intentionally driving up the price of oil to make the cost seem more affordable. 
In order for me to want one it simply has to check more boxes than the gas powered vehicle for a comparable cost . And that’s for the whole life cycle. Initial cost , at least equal capabilities, cost to operate per mile over say 200,000 mi and then resale . People compare all these things when shopping different brands of internal combustion vehicles. Ev’s should be no different. We should let the market decide. But our government isn’t going to allow that . 

[Pat Riot]

I wonder when California will ban jets and airplanes from flying in their airspace. I would bet planes cause as much emissions as all the cars combined. 
 

How cool would it be for Pelosi, et al to have to find alternative green methods of going back and forth to and from DC…Washington, not direct current…though I would like to see how she fares with a DC total body work out. Dance Nancy, Dance…

 

 

[Buckshot Bob]

It’s pretty much been proven that world wide industry pollutes far more than individuals driving cars . But industry runs the politicians and unfortunately we let the politicians run us . But even if they did hammer industry instead of us the cost to industry to clean up their emissions would just be passed along to the end user . The consumer, us 

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

Okie dokie, so let's just go to ground truth.

 

I'll take the EV that is at 95% because I had plugged it in at home over the the car that "I'll gas up next time I go out" and is at 1/4 tank and dropping as I idle in a traffic jam watching the gauge drop toward E.  I seem to recall that in the major evacuations due to hurricanes gas has been a huge issue - people in a mile long line at a gas station, gas stations run dry.  People complaining to reporters that they are almost out of gas and can't find any.  

So, which would YOU take?  A car that will get you at least 150 miles or one that might get you out of the major metro area?

We can both keep inventing "What if...." scenarios all day

 

[Crusty Knees]

I must admit that I never thought much about Electric Vehicles until the California ban, and the follow on states.    So, I know next to nothing about them.  By the time I'm forced to buy one, I'll be in my mid-80s and I'll probably not do the driving I do now.  But, at the present, I drive a mid-size SUV to multi-day matches, and it's pretty much loaded to the gills.   

I'll drive 9-11 hours at a time, with a couple of pit stops for bathroom breaks and two refueling stops along the way.   I hope to be doing this until I'm too feeble to lift a gun anymore.  No where near a half-hour or more for each stop!  

 

Trying to figure out how long a recharging stop would actually take for an EV is darned confusing to me.  I read this article and it wasn't helpful at all without knowing what vehicle I actually would want to end up with. I did find out that a direct replacement for my current vehicle would be darned expensive!   But who knows what the future will hold.   https://www.lifewire.com/how-long-to-charge-ev-5203690  

 

 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

3 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I'll take the EV that is at 95% because I had plugged it in at home over the the car that "I'll gas up next time I go out" and is at 1/4 tank and dropping as I idle in a traffic jam watching the gauge drop toward E.  I seem to recall that in the major evacuations due to hurricanes gas has been a huge issue - people in a mile long line at a gas station, gas stations run dry.  People complaining to reporters that they are almost out of gas and can't find any.  

So, which would YOU take?  A car that will get you at least 150 miles or one that might get you out of the major metro area?

We can both keep inventing "What if...." scenarios all day

 

I was talking about a fairly standard evac scenario, but as long as we’re bringing personal routines into it, I’ll take the truck that I never let get below 1/2 tank (about 250 mile range at 1/2 tank) and the two extra 5 gallon cans of gas that I keep filled during hurricane season. 
 

People do tend to keep EVs charged at home. That ensures they will all run out of charge at about the same place. On the other hand, an EV sitting idle decrements the vehicle range slowly, while idling ICVs do so much more rapidly. 
 

Yep, gas is always an issue. Gas lines are an issue. Get more EVs on the road so reporters don’t have to work to find an interview, and charging will be an issue. Current studies predict that as EV use increases, power grids are likely to be subject to cascading failures, especially early in the evacuation as EVs swarm the recharge stations. Maybe down the road a ways, the infrastructure will be there (doubtful — no one is going to finance prepping for an occasional event like an evacuation.  
 

But for now, the ‘what if’s’ tend to favor ICV.