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Cypress Sun Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Chas B. Wolfson, SASS #11104 said: Good chance of finding a family of cannibals though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Chas B. Wolfson, SASS #11104 said: Judging from the state of the sign, you're also going to find a lot of morons and closed minds. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 33 minutes ago, Alpo said: I just watched a video on Youtube from a guy who took an EV double decker bus on a cross country tour. He had factory people from the bus manufacturer and other industry types both with him and in constant contact for support. It took him about 3 times as long to make the trip, cost MORE than if the bus was diesel powered, and no end of headaches trying to charge the thing to do it. EVs might work for some people, (yes, I'm talking to YOU Subdeacon Joe ), but I can't see owning one. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 Got an email from my electric company, day or so back. >Enjoy unlimited night and weekend EV charging starting at $31 a month — with no upfront costs and a hassle-free setup. Need a 240 volt circuit permitted and installed? A full installation option with the same great benefits is available for $38 a month. FPL EVolution® Home is your easy, convenient and worry-free charging experience — powered with 100% renewable energy from America’s smartest and most reliable grid.< STARTING at $31 a month. Huh. Didn't notice that the first time I read it. I thought it said just $31 a month. I don't go nowhere. A tank of gas (10 gallons) lasts me a couple of months. Maybe that would be a good deal for somebody that drives three or four hundred miles a week. Maybe. Then there was that news article I saw a couple weeks ago. Texas is going to charge electric vehicle people $200 a year for the privilege of driving an electric vehicle. Because when they're driving an electric vehicle they're not buying gasoline so they're not paying gas tax, so they're not paying for their fair share of the upkeep of the roads. I don't know. It just looks like electric is a bit more expensive. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 14 hours ago, Alpo said: It's difficult to mow the grass without pulling the safety bar back..... 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Subdeacon Joe Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Alpo said: Got an email from my electric company, day or so back. >Enjoy unlimited night and weekend EV charging starting at $31 a month — with no upfront costs and a hassle-free setup. Need a 240 volt circuit permitted and installed? A full installation option with the same great benefits is available for $38 a month. FPL EVolution® Home is your easy, convenient and worry-free charging experience — powered with 100% renewable energy from America’s smartest and most reliable grid.< STARTING at $31 a month. Huh. Didn't notice that the first time I read it. I thought it said just $31 a month. I don't go nowhere. A tank of gas (10 gallons) lasts me a couple of months. Maybe that would be a good deal for somebody that drives three or four hundred miles a week. Maybe. Then there was that news article I saw a couple weeks ago. Texas is going to charge electric vehicle people $200 a year for the privilege of driving an electric vehicle. Because when they're driving an electric vehicle they're not buying gasoline so they're not paying gas tax, so they're not paying for their fair share of the upkeep of the roads. I don't know. It just looks like electric is a bit more expensive. I drove a 2000 Tundra. In March 2021 it was costing about $75/week to fuel just for going to work (at around $3.59/gal), church, and shopping (shopping was only about 5 miles a week round trip). Got an electric because we needed some serious repairs on the Tundra that we couldn't afford. "Fuel" cost dropped to about $12/week for the same amount of driving, that's at a commercial fast charger, be about $6 or less for 120v home charging. Even adding in the $4/week that a state fee like the one in TX you mentioned, that's still a lot less than $75/week. Add in, call it $40/month, that's ten bucks a week, for whatever the power company plan is, and it's still less than $75/week. If you don't drive more than about 60 miles per day you can get by with the plug in to your 120v house current and don't need the 240v set up. Gas here topped at close to $7/gallon, and is sitting around $5.5/gallon now. So, I don't care what math you use, but call it $20 to $25 per week is a lot less than $125 to $150 per week. So, no, it's not more expensive to drive an electric than an internal combustion vehicle. Even if your daily round trip is 200 miles and you charge exclusively at commercial fast charging stations it's cheaper, unless you have an internal combustion that gets 50mpg or better. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: It's difficult to mow the grass without pulling the safety bar back..... Well we know it's a posed picture, since lawn mowers didn't have safety bars in 1969. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: I drove a 2000 Tundra. In March 2021 it was costing about $75/week to fuel just for going to work (at around $3.59/gal), church, and shopping (shopping was only about 5 miles a week round trip). Gas was costing you $75 a week in a vehicle that probably got at least 20 miles a gallon. My gas costs me about $30 every 2 months in a vehicle that gets 7 miles a gallon. The point I was attempting to make was FOR ME electric would be more expensive. Not for everybody. For me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said: I drove a 2000 Tundra. In March 2021 it was costing about $75/week to fuel just for going to work (at around $3.59/gal), church, and shopping (shopping was only about 5 miles a week round trip). Got an electric because we needed some serious repairs on the Tundra that we couldn't afford. "Fuel" cost dropped to about $12/week for the same amount of driving, that's at a commercial fast charger, be about $6 or less for 120v home charging. Even adding in the $4/week that a state fee like the one in TX you mentioned, that's still a lot less than $75/week. Add in, call it $40/month, that's ten bucks a week, for whatever the power company plan is, and it's still less than $75/week. If you don't drive more than about 60 miles per day you can get by with the plug in to your 120v house current and don't need the 240v set up. Gas here topped at close to $7/gallon, and is sitting around $5.5/gallon now. So, I don't care what math you use, but call it $20 to $25 per week is a lot less than $125 to $150 per week. So, no, it's not more expensive to drive an electric than an internal combustion vehicle. Even if your daily round trip is 200 miles and you charge exclusively at commercial fast charging stations it's cheaper, unless you have an internal combustion that gets 50mpg or better. 19 minutes ago, Alpo said: Gas was costing you $75 a week in a vehicle that probably got at least 20 miles a gallon. My gas costs me about $30 every 2 months in a vehicle that gets 7 miles a gallon. The point I was attempting to make was FOR ME electric would be more expensive. Not for everybody. For me. 2000 Tundra, 20 mpg maybe if it was a 2WD. Can we agree at some point that there is a place for Electric Vehicles and Internal Combustion Vehicles? I have no desire to have an EV, because it would limit much of what I do. I really have no desire to see charging stations when I am out in the middle of nowhere camping. And right now my truck does pretty well at pulling a horse trailer when necessary. A friend has a Tesla that is insanely fast, but you lose so much of the driving experience without a shift knob in hand. The paddle shifters on my Outback Wilderness are a substitute, but still pales by comparison to the real thing. If I just wanted a commuter vehicle, I would strongly consider an EV. Having said that, I still say Hydrogen is the better option. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, DocWard said: ... you lose so much of the driving experience without a shift knob in hand. True, my 6 speed manual: 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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