Come On Christmas Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I bought a 44 Caliber Pietta brass framed 1858 Remington replica from Cabelas. i made cigarette paper cartridges with .454 wheel weight bullets. On my Iron 1858. A hassle, but it cut the paper and made a lead ring. Using the brass frame model pressure broke the pivot screw and bent the frame and buggered the hole the pivot screw what works the ram that seats the ball. Does anyone have history with Cabelas and returns of this type? i have the box and bought said pistol with a Cabelas Credit Card. Crayfish AKA Shameless Womanizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Muzzle loaders are supposed to use pure, soft lead. Wheel weights, with tin and antimony alloyed in, are too hard. You used the wrong material and destroyed your gun. Why should Cabelas take it back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 PLUS ONE to Alpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I hate to say it but it looks like you have made a mistake, Crayfish. You could call Cabela’s and ask but I doubt they will refund or replace the revolver but you will never know unless you ask. The bright side is you have some decent spare parts if you can’t exchange it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingair Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 You could have asked before . . . Luckily you only made a $ 179.99 error . . . Could have ben the double or more But as mentioned now you got some spare parts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 As stated already. Wheel weights bullets are to hard . For Cap Guns ( especially Brass Frame guns ) you only want to use soft lead Projectiles. But you do have a good start on spare Cap Gun Parts . Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Deleted, my fault, my apologies, I got corn fused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 WHY did you use WW instead of pure lead? This is your doing-Don't blame Cabela's, for your ignorance. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I wish all my mistakes were limited to $179. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 To address the OPs question. As per the Cabelas Return Policy, they do not accept returns on black powder firearms under their standard 90-day return policy. http://www.cabelas.com/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=ReturnsPolicy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come On Christmas Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 $120 Mistake used Cabelas Points. I see a steel frame ever now and again on Ebay and GunsMakeMeBroker. I HAVE USED WHEEL WEIGHT LEAD FOR YEARS IN STEEL CAP GUNS. Ha, I did UNFRIENDLY Lumpy Grits I can only read his comments if I’m not signed in. Gotta remember to do that. Shameless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come On Christmas Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 Thanks July. You answered my question. Wow, tough room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, Crayfish 57929 said: Thanks July. You answered my question. Wow, tough room. True. I will say that, like Badlands Bob, I wish some of my mistakes only cost me as much as $120-$180. I have made some whoppers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I'm curious - and this is not a criticism; I just would like to know - how you've managed to use wheel weight balls on other C&B revolvers. If properly sized, I'd expect loading to have been a booger. Someone once borrowed my T/C Maxi-Ball mold, and as a favor cast a bunch of WW Maxi-Balls for me to shoot out of my Hawken. I think I tried one... needed a hammer to get it started in the bore. Melted the rest down for .45 Colt pills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 53 minutes ago, Crayfish 57929 said: Thanks July. You answered my question. Wow, tough room. YESSIR!! You can expect to be excoriated severely here when you tell on yourself!! But we use velvet bindings when we crack the whip!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Some wheel weights can be used in cap and ball guns. In my experience, stick on wheel weights are very soft pure or at least close to pure lead, with a BHN of about 5. I save the stick on wheel weights for casting black powder projectiles and use the clip on wheel weights for smokeless loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come On Christmas Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: I'm curious - and this is not a criticism; I just would like to know - how you've managed to use wheel weight balls on other C&B revolvers. If properly sized, I'd expect loading to have been a booger. Someone once borrowed my T/C Maxi-Ball mold, and as a favor cast a bunch of WW Maxi-Balls for me to shoot out of my Hawken. I think I tried one... needed a hammer to get it started in the bore. Melted the rest down for .45 Colt pills. What caused the problem was the extra couple of thousands due to the cigarette paper cartridge. And the brass frame. As for my Hawken, fits perfectly for my ramrod. Major umpf. Try a thinner wad? Put a small bit of wad centered in the wad with a thinner wad. The guys at my muzzleloader say this prevents burning the bullet. I dunno if I buy into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Wheeler Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Cabela's has the steel frame 1858 on sale now. Save $50.00! http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=731695&type=product&WT.ac=YMAL-731695&WT.z_pg_ref=prd731907 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 5 hours ago, Crayfish 57929 said: Ha, I did UNFRIENDLY Lumpy Grits I can only read his comments if I’m not signed in. Gotta remember to do that. Shameless Thank you! OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come On Christmas Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Dutch Wheeler said: Cabela's has the steel frame 1858 on sale now. Save $50.00! http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=731695&type=product&WT.ac=YMAL-731695&WT.z_pg_ref=prd731907 I have steel frame and a nickeled frame. i see a used frame every once in a while. Was like $80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingair Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Here you go Jut listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Maybe I'm missing something from your narrative, but it appears you believe pistol bullets will perform better if the balls are pressed in the chamber over a wad, like front-stuffing rifles? If that's not it, I'm curious about the rationale. Not to flame anyone, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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