Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Bought a new one from Inland that arrived Wednesday. It'll go well with my M1 Garand and 1911. In terms of accuracy, it's a sweet shooter! For the most part it ran well, but I was unable to get thru a complete 15-round magazine without a failure to feed or stovepipe. Usually it was the first round or two from a full mag that would hang up at an angle on the left side before entering the breech. Ammo was factory Federal Premium or Armscor. Seems the Armscor fed better than Federal. Mags are from Inland which are supposed to be better than some of the poorly reviewed aftermarket junk at Midway USA. In looking closely at the feed ramp, it isn't all that smooth and has some sharp edges. I'm thinking I should polish that a bit and break the sharp edges as cases show some scuffing. When it runs, it's awesome. But like a lot of new stuff these days, it'll need some tweaking to run reliably. So far, I'm coming up with nothing on the web that shows or explains anything that can be done to improve things. Just a lot of ads for services I'm totally new to this firearm, so any advice or direction on where to look for info is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Congratulations, Pard. Can't help you on a fix. Never carried one. I did see one in the hands of My Company Commander, but he lost it on maneuvers in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 This was not uncommon with the magazine loaded with 15 rounds. My site security guards were only issued 10 rds for their M-2 Carbines (select fire capable). But in talking with Korean War vets before that, I was told they used to load 12-14 rounds in the 15-round magazines. They simply kept several magazines taped back-to-back. Only in the direst of situations would they load all 15. When they could get their hands on 30 round mags (which my guards never saw), they'd load them with 28 rounds. Maybe if they had made the magazines a tad longer, it would have eliminated the first-round feed problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Whiskers Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I have 2 of the carbines. One's a Winchester that was built during WW2 and never issued. My uncle bought it through the NRA back in the 50's for $50. It came with a sling, cleaning kit and 2 20 round mags. That one he ran 10 rounds of Military ball ammo with no problems. I ran 20 through it with no problems. 10 military ball, 5 Federal and 5 Hornady. I bought a Universal (put together from parts) that is finicky what you feed it. It likes the Hornady ammo best with no feed issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: Congratulations, Pard. Can't help you on a fix. Never carried one. I did see one in the hands of My Company Commander, but he lost it on maneuvers in Germany. He forgot that two pair doesn't beat three of a kind...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Howdy, Ive seen some semi autos with a note that they will run more reliably after 500rounds thru the action. Words to that effect. And oddly one of those ran perfect from the first shot. It just shot a little to the left and the sights were stuck like welded. I took it to a pro gunsmith and he said he didnt want to hit it harder. So I just aim it a little to the right..... best CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Horse Hair, SASS #77464 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I have had one of the Inlands for over a year and it has run very good. Buying used mags is a gamble-in the few I bought I've found dents and springs that are weak. The mag that came with the Inland seems good and down loading is probably good advice, at lease till it smooths up. Also, I would break it down and clean and oil good. Then shoot the crap out of it! I think they are sweet little rifles and fairly easy to reload for. My headache came in the form of a military issue M-1 that split the part of the barrel that the gas piston fits into. Sent it to CMP for re-barrel with new Criterion barrel. Got it back and it split again in same spot. CMP made it good but didn't want to discuss reason it happened. NHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Congratulations. Once that magazine gets worn in, it should function fully loaded. When new, the spring is stiff. Everyone of mine functions flawlessly with fully loaded magazines. In fact, the older the magazine the better. The stovepipe leads me to think that the magazine stiff springs may cause a stovepipes. Same reasoning why some don't completely fill their magazines. After I noticed this on new mags, I filled them fully and put them in my safe. After a couple months they lost some of that stiffness and worked flawlessly. MT edited, realized I wasn't to clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: This was not uncommon with the magazine loaded with 15 rounds. My site security guards were only issued 10 rds for their M-2 Carbines (select fire capable). But in talking with Korean War vets before that, I was told they used to load 12-14 rounds in the 15-round magazines. They simply kept several magazines taped back-to-back. Only in the direst of situations would they load all 15. When they could get their hands on 30 round mags (which my guards never saw), they'd load them with 28 rounds. Maybe if they had made the magazines a tad longer, it would have eliminated the first-round feed problems. We only loaded 18 rds in our 20 rd M16 mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: He forgot that two pair doesn't beat three of a kind...? Left it on the hood of his jeep.. GONE IN A HEARTBEAT. We also had local citizens workers, One tried to walk off with an M1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: We only loaded 18 rds in our 20 rd M16 mags. Same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Thanks for the replies! I should have been more specific that the "stovepipes" were empty cases getting snagged and jammed by the bolt as it closed on the next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Thanks for the replies! I should have been more specific that the "stovepipes" were empty cases getting snagged and jammed by the bolt as it closed on the next round. Yeah. That’s a stovepipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Ever hear of "limp wristing" in a stovepipe situation? It can cause it. I'm sure you didn't. My money's on the magazine(s) still. MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 How does one limp wrist an M1 Carbine? Not trying to be a smart donkey. just a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyDrew42 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 18 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: It'll go well with my M1 Garand and 1911. Is a Tanker's Garand on your list? That's always been one of my gun show grails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, CurlyDrew42 said: Is a Tanker's Garand on your list? That's always been one of my gun show grails. The experimental T26 18" barrel. Designed in late WW2 for Pacific Theatre of which, only one was ever built, but there were about 150 field modified shortened barrel Garand's. Of which only one exist and the original T26 was destroyed during testing.. MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyDrew42 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: destroyed during testing I read that at least one was used the 503rd PIR never seen anything about the original being destroyed in testing and that doesn't make me want one any less. Someone out there must have reconfigured a regular M1 the same way. It's sort of like the DeLisle for me. I know I will probably never get one but that doesn't destroy the urge to want one. Also, pretty good article here from a few years ago-https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/m1-tanker-garand/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 hours ago, CurlyDrew42 said: Is a Tanker's Garand on your list? That's always been one of my gun show grails. Nah, I don't covet rare guns cuz I want to shoot 'em. I feel the same way about cars, airplanes, you name it. If you can't play with your toys, what's the point? If I decide to expand upon my WWII era GI guns, a 1903 A3 is very appealing. Outside of WWII, a Krag is also appealing. Depends on what voices I'm listening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Tanker conversions were a hot item in the late 50's - 60's. Some were M1's modified to the tanker configuration. some were made from second hand parts (a lot of which were junk) and some were newly manufactured after market products. I have one made by Springfield Armory Inc. that I bought off of the SASS classified a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 OP-Get new mag springs. https://www.gunsprings.com/M1 CARBINE/US M1 CARBINE /cID2/mID98/dID163 Are you run'n FMJ bullets? Have the rifle sloppy wet with oil for this break in. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 15 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Nah, I don't covet rare guns cuz I want to shoot 'em. I feel the same way about cars, airplanes, you name it. If you can't play with your toys, what's the point? If I decide to expand upon my WWII era GI guns, a 1903 A3 is very appealing. Outside of WWII, a Krag is also appealing. Depends on what voices I'm listening to. Tanker Garands are rare because they never existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 32 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Tanker Garands are rare because they never existed. Check out the T26 on fiream blog. American Rifleman mag also had an article a decade ago on this experimental weapon, shortened Garand for the Pacific Theatre. I also thought it never existed. Read down to "variants" . MT http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_150886378278614&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=j95ujc7h01013tmk000DLona9jf4i&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2009%2F05%2F08%2Fthe-t26-tanker-m1-garand%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FM-1_Garand&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fr.search.yahoo.com%2F_ylt%3DA0SO8z_Xbe9ZWB0APyNXNyoA%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTEyMnMybDNiBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDQjQyMTRfMQRzZWMDc3I-%2FRV%3D2%2FRE%3D1508892248%2FRO%3D10%2FRU%3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2fblog%2f2009%2f05%2f08%2fthe-t26-tanker-m1-garand%2f%2FRK%3D1%2FRS%3D0.ALugsx8ZDlfVsikC9xDEPKKCM-&title=The T26 "Tanker" M1 Garand - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog&txt=M1 Garand page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Whiskers Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 15 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Nah, I don't covet rare guns cuz I want to shoot 'em. I feel the same way about cars, airplanes, you name it. If you can't play with your toys, what's the point? If I decide to expand upon my WWII era GI guns, a 1903 A3 is very appealing. Outside of WWII, a Krag is also appealing. Depends on what voices I'm listening to. Yup...got one of those too. It's a Remington built 1903 A3. I got that from my uncle too after he passed away. Vern had 2 of them, the other one "may" have been a Smith Corona but I don't recall.. We took quite a few deer with both of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorado Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I've been wanting one of those M1 Carbines. It'd go great with my Springfield M1 Garand and 1943 dated Remington Rand M1911a1. I also wouldn't mind a 1903 A3 with scope set. A man that I worked for had a great gun collection in it was a 1903 sniper rifle with full set of scopes and even had the hard scope case. He also had four M1 Garands one with the scope, one with a rifle grenade launcher and sights, one with a folding stock and the last a standard issue. All were original and made no later than 1944. I loved his collection. Deactivated M1923 submachine guns, BAR, and if I recall a 1917 Browning. I think he even had a grease gun in the mix too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Tanker Garands are rare because they never existed. That's eggzactly what I'm sayin'! If it doesn't exist, I can' t shoot it. And if I can't shoot it, I don't want it. Only Badger knows how to fire virtual guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Original military Tanker Garands may not exist, but there were a bunch built and sold commercially back in the early '60's. Some were even made of parts of receivers that had been cut in half and expertly welded back together, then the channels re-milled where the seams were. When checked for headspace, etc., they shot just fine! Depended on who reworked them, and I can't recall the makers of the best ones. Made one heckova nice wild boar rifle in the Tennessee brush! A dot of white car enamel on the rear of the front sight post, and that thing just pointed naturally! You do have to watch the type of loads you put through it, however. With the gas port moved closer to the breech (18" barrel), port pressure is higher, so you don't want to use a slow-burning powder. (I did shoot a few rounds of handloads with H4831, without a problem, but that is a BAD IDEA! Best powder is IMR3031 or H4895. Such a critter will handle 180 gr. bullets, but 150-165's would probably be easier on the action. For practice, good ol' M2 Ball works just fine. A long eye-relief scope can be mounted ahead of the action (so you can load 8-round or 5-round hunting clips. A flash suppressor helps in dense woods to keep from starting a forest fire or cooking game shot at close range. Muzzle flash can be significant. At least, that's the way I remember it from a half-century ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The issues that led to downloading magazines in vietnam turned out to be poorly engineered springs. Any magazine made in the past 20-30 years shouldn't have a problem with spring failure. Of course, I guess that only applies to 'quality' mags. Being this is a new rifle, I'd expect the ones that came with it to be new and of decent quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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